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By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. Where was Congressman Powell when you talked with him Saturday?
A. He was in Bimini.
Q. Had he received any official notification from the committee about appearing?
A. I specifically asked him had he gotten the letter. He said he had not received any mail from the committee.
Q. In connection with your duties as special assistant to the chairman, is there any travel involved in connection with those duties?
A. Quite a bit, sir, yes.
A. Well, I travel with him times when he goes out on trips. For me, since I hate to travel, I consider it quite a bit if I go out more than twice a month. That is quite a bit.
Q. Have you had an airline credit card issued to you?
A. He asked that I have a credit card issued to me. I forgot when it was issued to me. I guess last year. I do not remember when the card was issued. Then he discovered the card was not what he calls a “Q” card. It meant under this card I could not purchase ticekts for other people. He said, "I want you to get a 'Q' card."
Q. The first card that was issued to you, only you could purchase tickets for your own travel ?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. The “Q” card was a type of card that you could purchase tickets for travel by others?
A. Yes; that is right.
A. I do not know. I just cannot remember when I did get it; about a year or so ago. I really do not know exactly when I got the card.
Q. In the use of the two cards that you had, did you distinguish as to how you would use them?
A. Yes. What I tried to do was this: When I made a trip myself I tried to put—that I was going to take a trip personally, physically, I would use the card which is not a “Q” card. I did my best to try to use that card for only trips that I personally would take. I was not always successful, but I tried to do that.
Q. The “Q” card was used for trips that you would obtain-
A. For the most part. I made a few trips by car. I made two or three to New York, I think, by car. That is about all.
Q. What procedure would you follow when you requisitioned an air travel ticket?
A. I would take this voucher here and send this voucher over to the Capital Airlines office along with my air travel card and a little memo as to where the ticket should be and whose name. They would stamp it and I would sign my name at the top. They would stamp this and purchase the ticket.
Q. Have you ever loaned your ticket to anyone on your staffyour travel card, rather?
A. No; I do not think so.
Q. Have you always had the two cards issued to you in your possession at all times?
A. Yes; I have given it to people to go buy a ticket. In other words, I gave it to them physically to buy a ticket for a particular
Q. But they would always return it to you immediately? A. Yes. Mr. Hays. May I ask a question there? Mr. O'CONNOR. Yes. Mr. Hays. Mr. Stone, did you always send one of those signed slips with your card ?
The WITNESS. I always did. WellMr. HAYS. What I am getting at, I am not trying to entrap you, but there is common practice around here, I am told, to send staff personnel with a credit card and let them fill the thing out there and he signs the name of the person.
The WITNESS. Yes; that was common. I tried to stop that because I found out—and I told Mr. O'Connor about this—we discovered some people had purchased tickets without my card but using my card's number. So a letter was sent to the manager of the office under the chairman's name and I drafted the letter and I signed his name on it because he was away at the time, last December, telling them not to issue any tickets under any circumstances unless they had the travel card of one of the four people, Mr. Powell, Mrs. Dargans, Mr. Derrickson, or myself, and accompanying transportation voucher or whatever you call it. I gave Mr. O'Connor a copy of that letter.
Mr. Hays. Could I just ask one more question? You talked about those four cards. How many other travel cards were floating around that committee, do you know?
The WITNESS. Actually, there are five. I have two. Mr. Powell, Mr. Derrickson, Mrs. Dargans and my two; that would be five that I know of.
Mr. Hays. Some 22 cards were turned in, Mr. Stone. You did not know about the others ?
The WITNESS. No, sir.
The WITNESS. I knew definitely of five and I put it in that letter that I drafted and signed.
By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. The letter that you referred to issuing instructions to the airline ticket office, is that the letter dated December 30, 1965 ?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. A letter to Mr. Richardson, signed by Adam C. Powell, chairman.
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Addressed to Mr. Randall Richardson, manager, Capital Airline ticket office?
A. That is right.
Q. Attached you have a letter dated January 13, 1966, to the Capital Airlines ticket office, which is acknowledgment?
A. Yes, sir; and there is a letter going back telling him—
DECEMBER 30, 1965. DEAR MR. RICHARDSON: I am enclosing two tickets which were issued to staff members of this office without the imprint of an authorized air travel card from this office.
I am requesting that in the future no air travel tickets be issued to any staff member of the Committee on Education and Labor under any circumstances unless the following two conditions are fulfilled:
(1) the person requesting the ticket (or tickets) has in his possession at the time of purchase an authorized air travel card from the Committee on Education and Labor; and
(2) the person requesting the tickets has a transportation receipt already signed by the name on the Committee on Education and Labor air travel card. (A quick check of the signatures on both the air travel card and the transportation receipt will be appreciated.)
Only the following four persons on the Committee on Education and Labor have authorized air travel cards:
Rep. Adam Clayton Powell, Chairman
Mrs. Louise Maxienne Dargans, Chief Clerk
Adam C. POWELL, Chairman.
C. Sumner Stone, Special Assistant to the Chairman
Miss Joyce Bowyer, Capitol Airlines Ticket Office
COMBINED AIRLINES TICKET OFFICES,
DEPARTMENT OF STATE,
Washington, D.C., January 13, 1966. Congressman ADAM C. POWELL, Chairman, Committee on Education and Labor, House of Representatives, Washington, D.C.
DEAR CONGRESSMAN POWELL: We acknowledge receipt of your December 30th letter pertaining to the issuance of tickets against the air travel cards held by the four persons named on the Committee on Education and Labor.
You have our assurance that we will comply with your instructions and we assume that you will write us concerning any changes-such as the names of any others who may receive authorized air travel cards at some future date.
Do you want the tickets for Mr. Buckley and Mr. Sullivan credited to the Air Travel Plan account of the Committee on Education and Labor or should they be returned to you? Sincerely yours,
R. J. RICHARDSON, Manager.
Mr. R. J. RICHARDSON,
DEAR MR. RICHARDSON: Thank you very much for your letter of January 13th and I appreciate deeply your cooperation in this matter.
Please credit the tickets for Mr. Buckley and Mr. Sullivan to the Air Travel Plan Account of the Committee on Education and Labor. Sincerely yours,
Adam C. Powell, Chairman. (The above-referred-to document was marked "Stone Exhibit 2" for identification and was received in evidence.)
Mr. O'CONNOR. May it be entered at the appropriate place in the record, Mr. Chairman?
By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. In connection with your travel individually on behalf of the committee, did you ever make any trips for which you did not submit a voucher for reimbursement of subsistence?
A. Maybe one or two, but not many. I do not know how many. There were two reasons why I might not have submitted vouchers for subsistence: One I know we discussed this and it won't sound feasible—whenever I went to New York for 1 or 2 days I have an apartment in New York which I rent-invariably there were really no expenses incurred on a trip sometimes. This was not often. Somebody would meet us at the airport. If I went with the chairman, I never spent any money for meals. I literally spent no money at all. I had a place to stay. I spent no money for meals or taxis or anything. The other reason again was the pressures of my job were such that sometimes I just forgot. I tried to remember. If you know those vouchers that were submitted, they were quite frequently submitted a month or several weeks after I had made the trip. I know I did not forget to submit vouchers for any trip that extended for more than 3 or 4 days.
Q. Were there any trips besides to New York for which you did not submit vouchers ?
A. I might not have submitted vouchers to Miami. I went down for a couple of trips when I stayed 1 day and came right back or 2 days, stayed overnight.
Q. Do you have an apartment in Miami?
A. No, sir. I do not think I did submit vouchers. I just do not remember now. I know 2 days I went down for specific reasons and came right back.
Q. How many trips since January 3, 1965, have you made to New York?
A. Most of the trips I made I went with the chairman. I accompanied him. There were a few I might have gone by myself. I went on part of the investigation on the poverty program last year, last September and October. Those 4 months when we had the poverty task force in full swing, I went two or three times to New York. I went again in the spring of this year by myself. But other than that, I usually went with the chairman when I went to New York City.
Q. Would anyone else be with you besides the chairman?
A. Again it was the same thing, either the chairman or Miss Huff. My wife went with me once. But we went to Bimini when we went together, as part of a vacation. We went beyond Miami.
Q. Could you tell us the procedure you followed when you obtained tickets for someone else on the staff or in the Congressman's office to travel on your credit card ?
A. Simply I would send a messenger over. The chairman would tell me what tickets he wanted to get or what tickets he wanted and I would merely have the messenger take my air travel card plus this transportation voucher with a memo describing the purposes of the trip. Maybe not the purpose, but the destination.
Q. You would fill out this transportation request for two tickets or however many you wanted ?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. It was necessary to put a name in there as to who was going to be traveling?
A. Yes, sir.
A. Put the person's name who was going to travel unless I put my name or whatever name the chairman ordered me to put in.
Q. What names would the chairman order you to put in from time to time?
A. My name, Lewis, Clark, Swann, Warren. Those are the only ones.
Q. Would he order you specifically to put those names in when he asked to pick up tickets for him?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did the persons or the parties whose names appeared on the ticket perform the travel ?
A. Not very frequently; no, they didn't.
Who else with the chairman?
Q. Do you know of occasions when Miss Swann did not make the trip or you purchased a ticket in her name?
A. She made a couple of trips, but I do not know which ones.