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Theologico - Controversistical Conference,

Held at the HAGUE, June 2, 1785,

Between an-English Lutheran, Scorch Calvinist,

and Dutch Rabéen.'


Mofes. OU are protestants ?

Luther and Calvin. We are members of the Reformation.

Mof. Both of one communion.
Luth. I am of Luther.
Calv. I of Calvin.
Mof. Luther was the first protestant ?
Luth. He was,
Calv. Carnally; but Calvin spiritually.

Mof. You agree they were the two firkt Reformers.

Luth, & Calv, We confess it.
Mos. Explain the mystery of the spirit.

Calv. Rebecca had twin children, Elau and Jacob; Efau’s heel appeared, which the midwife tyed a scarlet thread about : this is a type of

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Luther's appearing carnally, with the rags of popery, Esau drew back his heel, when Jacob came forth and obtained the blessing, who was a type of Calvin, obtaining the blessing of the Spirit.

Luth. We shall never be reconciled but in our war against popery.

Mof. Then you are of different Religions ?

Luth. & Calv. In every thing but what relates to popery, which all protestants are obliged to protest against, according to their first institution.

Mof. What is the foundation of your Faith?

Luth. & Calv. GOD, Creator and Preserver of all Things, both visible and invisible; Eternal and Infinite, in Power, Truth, Justice, Goodness, and in all his Attributes. Infinite Knowledge of all things froin Eternity to Eternity, that is past, present, and to come.

Is for eyer present with him one Only true God. This God revealed the fcriptures, and this is the ground of our Faith and Religion.

Mos. From what time do you date your religion?

Luh. & Celu. The day dawned with Luther in 1517 ; but entered their protest against the Roman Catholic Church, which was the Old Church, and took the name of Protestants, in 1529.

Mos. Then the date of the protestant religion wax, 1529 after Jesus Christ, your Messiah bitu, & Calz. We confess it, and that Luther and Calvin were our tivo first'Apostles.

MolFrom what scripture do you derive this fundamental article of your faith? 5.


Luth. & Calv. From many 'texts,
Mof. Name your scripture.
Luth. & Colv. From many texts.

Mof. This is folly. How many covenants has Almighty God promised?

Luth. 6. Calu. Two.
Mof, Both from the seed of Abraham ?
Luth. & Calv. This cannot be contested.

Mos. From what tribe of Irael are Luther and Calvin ?

Luth. & Calu. Luther from the German, and Calvin from the French tribes.

Mof. What were they and their ancestors before they set up your covenant ?

Luth. & Calv. They were Roman Catholics, and Luther and Calvin were both priests.

Moj. Which of the two do you acknowledge your Meljah of the new covenant ?

Luth. & Calv. Neither; Jesus Christ is our Messiah, as you observed before,

Mof. You acknowledge Luther and Calvin to be the two first protestants and apostles of your religion, and that they established the covenant of protestantism 1500 years after Jesus Christ had eitablished his. At the same time you profess but two covenants, you grant the Jews one, and Jesus Christ the other, which is the accoinplishment of the scripture?

Luth. & Calv. Luther and Calvin were re. formers.

Mos. What do you mean by reformers?

Luib. & Calv. The protestant creed, or faith, is, that presently after the apostles age, the whole christian world, men, women, and children


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were drowned in idolatry and in a state of damnation; so that there was no salvation in the world until Luther and Calvin restored life by setting up our new religion.

Mof. If Jesus Christ be the true Messiah, as you believe, and is the ground of your faith, you must agree with me that your protestant religion is an apostacy and violation to the ve. racity and honour of God and disbelief of the whole scriptures.

Lutb. & Calu. We mean to do neither,

Mof. Madness has no meaning, in this; you speak truly.

Luth. & Caly. We hold forth the doctrine of truth.

Mos. That blasphemes and reprobates the true God, and his holy scriptures.

Luth. & Calv. You speak like a papist.
Mos. I am a Jew, and speak as a Jew.
Luib.& Calv. Our war is not against the Jews.

Mof. All blasphemy against God and the scriptures is aginst us.

Luth. & Calv. We are only against popery.

Mof. Believe me, your darts are pointed against none, being blunted with folly.

L. & C. We feed and live by the scriptures,

Mos. Whenever you would be despised, men- . tion scripture.

L. & C. Scripture is the food of a christian.

Mos: Your ignorance can never extend so far as to persuade yourselves that you who contemn Chrift, can be christians.

L. & C. We do not contemn Chrift; it is the Jews that are his adversaries; we honour and adore him as our Lord:


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Mof. In what degree of Lordship?

Luib.& Calv. Lord of Truth and Justice, and Prince and Head of his Church.

Mos. Of what church is Christ Head and Prince ?

Luth. & Calv. Of the christian church which he founded.

Mof. This is the mystery of mysteries.
Luib. & Calv. All are reconcileable with faith.

Mof. You will allow truth and falsehood are two opposites which cannot be reconciled ?

Luib.& Calv. This would be childish to deny.

Mof. You will allow that a Creator may act according to his will on the thing he creates ?

Luth. & Cval. This also is as clear as the sun.

Mos. You will allow that justice and power cannot be injustice and weakness ?

Luth. & Calv. We cannot deny this truth.

Mof. You will allow that goodness and mercy cannot be wickedness and unmercifulness?

Luth. & Calv. Opposites never coincide toge. ther.

Mof. You allow, in God, infinite power, truth, knowledge, foresight, and goodness, and infinite in whatever is his will, and that nothing can happen or be in his creation but what is his will to order or permit.

Luth. & Calv. To this we assent, both heart and soul.

Mos. You acknowledge and believe, that this God founded and established his second and last covenant in the person of Jesus Christ with the christian church, which covenant, or church, by the assistance and most positive and folemn


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