General SHULER. The next item is on page 171, and also has to do specifically with the move.

This is a transient-guest house to take care of the people who come in, have to stay overnight, process, and ship out to oversea destinations. We are presently doing this mission at Fort Mason, and we do not have the space for the transients at Oakland Army Terminal, so this would take care of this deficiency.

Senator STENNIS. That item is on what page?

General SHULER. That is on page 171, sir. It is a guest house for the transients; actually, the people that we ship overseas. They have to come in and process administratively, and so forth.

Senator STENNIS. How far is this from Fort Mason? What is the distance involved?

General SHULER. Sir, it is really this: Fort Mason is at one end of the Oakland-San Francisco bridge, which is quite a long bridge, and Oakland Army Terminal is on the bay, so it wouldn't be more than 4 or 5 miles.

Senator STENNIS. You are using the family housing. Why couldn't you use guest housing there at Mason?

General SHULER. Sir, this was all figured into the cost figures I gave you, and the savings. The people ought to be right at the nerve center where they have to handle the administration, and everything concerned with getting aboard ship; it would be quite inconvenient and, I think, uneconomical to have them living in an isolated building over at Fort Mason.

Senator STENNIS. You think it wouldn't be practical?

General SHULER. No sir, and they have nothing to do with the family quarters over there. Those would be permanent personnel who work in the operation. This has been studied.

Senator STENNIS. You are not talking about civilian personnel? General SHULER. No. These are military personnel.

Senator STENNIS. The next item.

General SHULER. The last item is also connected with this move, sir, and is the last item at this station for improvements to the utilities. These improvements, the majority of which are to the electric sysem, are required as a result of the move that I have talked aboutthat is, the integration of the mission of the terminal command of Fort Mason with that of the Oakland Army Terminal. It is just simply, sir, that the present utilities cannot handle the additional workload of moving these people from Fort Mason into there. This accounts, sir, for the $2 million I cited as the onetime cost for the total project.

Senator STENNIS. All right.

SAVANNA ARMY DEPOT, ILL.

General SHULER. The next project, page 174, Savanna Army Depot. Senator CANNON. You may proceed, General.

General SHULER. The next item, on page 174, is at Savanna Army Depot, a request for a special weapons support facility. This project provides for the modification of 23 existing igloos, and for required additional protection for the classified ammunition to be stored here. The doors on the existing igloos are only 4 feet wide, and they are simply not large enough for the classified material to be stored.

Senator CANNON. Do you have any other facility where these materials could be stored?

General SHULER. No, sir; we do not.

Senator CANNON. What are you doing now?

General SHULER. We are using now, sir, eight igloos for storage of classified material. The total capacity of these igloos is scheduled to be reached by fiscal 1967, and additional space will then be required for storage of larger items scheduled to be received subsequent to that time. We need to get to work on this project, and get it completed in time to meet the schedule of this incoming material.

What I am talking about here is, in essence, a new mission or a new material.

Senator CANNON. If this present capacity will satisfy your needs to fiscal year 1967, couldn't you defer this for another year?

General SHULER. Sir, we feel that, by the time we get the final laws passed and the apportionment of funds, and the thing designed and under contract and constructed, that we need this time to meet our schedule.

Senator CANNON. You may proceed.

SIERRA ARMY DEPOT, CALIF.

General SHULER. The next item, sir, on page 176, at Sierra Army Depot, is a guided missile surveillance facility. The responsibility for this mission has further added to the mission of Sierra Depot. It is needed for special and periodic inspections of complete missile assemblies, subassemblies, warheads, motors, igniters, explosive harness, and other related missile components.

This is presently being performed in a makeshift manner under tarpaulins, or over an open hardstand. This does not meet the safety requirements for explosive materials and is completely inadequate, sir, to properly perform the mission. There are no other facilities available here to do this.

Senator CANNON. That is the only facility you have at the present time where this could be done?

General SHULER. Yes, sir.

Senator CANNON. All right; you may proceed.

General SHULER. May I add one thought to that, sir?

Senator CANNON. Yes, sir.

General SHULER. I would like to have in the record that the workload is approximately 1,000 tons, consisting of 11,272 items of missile material, so it is a considerable workload.

Senator CANNON. 1,000 tons per what?

General SHULER. The total workload was 1,000 tons, sir, but that is composed of

Senator CANNON. I understand that, but for what period of time— workload per day, per week, per month, per year?

General SHULER. One year, sir.

Senator CANNON. All right, sir.

SUNNY POINT ARMY TECHNICAL, N.C. General SHULER. Page 178; we are asking for a sewage disposal facility at Sunny Point Army Terminal. This is to comply with the law, passed by the State of North Carolina, prohibiting the dumping of raw sewage in the Cape Fear River Basin. This will correct this situation.

Senator CANNON. Are you just dumping raw sewage now?

General SHULER. Yes, sir. We have a temporary agreement, but they will not extend it any more.

Senator CANNON. All right, proceed.

U.S. ARMY TEST AND EVALUATION COMMAND

ABERDEEN PROVING GROUND, MD.

General SHULER. The next item, sir, is at Aberdeen Proving Ground on page 181.

The testing activities on artillery weapons and ammunition require a number of strategically located control towers for range safety purposes. There are presently a total of nine towers at various points along the Eastern Shore of Maryland. Five of these are of wood construction constructed between 1919 and 1940.

It is proposed to replace the two worst ones with steel towers since they are no longer economical to repair and are also too low for efficient operation.

Senator CANNON. All right, sir.

General SHULER. Page 182 is a request at the same station for a bombproof observation building to replace an existing bombproof building which is improperly located in view of changed use and is generally unsuitable due to improper orientation at the present time and we intend to demolish this. This is a case where we are firing vertically, sir, and we need absolute protection in our observations. Senator CANNON. How old is this building that is now in use? General SHULER. The need is presently being met, sir, by two existing structures, one of which is a modern concrete structure built in 1962 and the other one is just an improvised structure. I do not know the date it was first improvised.

It is not a suitable structure at all, sir.

Senator CANNON. If you are using one that was built in 1962, and it is outmoded already, it would seem that something is wrong with your design processes, wouldn't it, General?

General SHULER. We are not replacing that one, sir. We are replacing the one that was improvised. We retain the one built in 1962. It is a modern thing.

Senator CANNON. I thought you said in your justification that the present facilities were improperly oriented and were not able to serve their purpose.

General SHULER. Yes, sir. I was referring to the one we are replacing.

Senator CANNON. And you are saying that the one built in 1962 is adequate; is that correct?

General SHULER. Yes, sir; that is right.

Senator CANNON. It is properly oriented.
General SHULER. Yes, sir.

Senator CANNON. And does serve the purpose?

General SHULER. Yes, sir.

Senator CANNON. Why can't you use it instead of the two of them? General SHULER. We need the two, sir. This is the point. It has to do with triangulation.

Senator CANNON. All right, proceed.

General SHULER. Page 183 at the same station we request a weapons system laboratory.

This new facility is required for the activities of the weapons systems laboratory and the missions recently assigned to this laboratory include weapons systems evaluation, simulation to estimate guidance errors of systems, simulation and kill probability analysis, war gaming techniques, including combined arms studies and guidance and control evaluation. The existing facilities are scattered in various other buildings with inadequate space and improperly equipped. One building will be demolished and space in the others utilized by other elements of the ballistic research laboratories.

I have an expert witness on this, sir, if the Chairman has any specific questions.

Senator CANNON. You have said this is due to expansion of the mission. How is the mission expanded here? What has been the mission of this laboratory?

Dr. GRUBBS. Ballistic research laboratories sir. This is an expansion in the workload. General Besson recently gave us 55 additional personnel spaces to accomplish a larger part of the workload.

We are not able to accomplish the workload assigned at the present time. There is quite an increase in activities.

Senator CANNON. Then you have an increase in the amount of work instead of a different mission?

Dr. GRUBBS. The amount of the work has been there and we have only been able to do about two-thirds of the assigned workload per year.

Senator CANNON. Where has the rest of it been done.

Dr. GRUBBS. It has not been done. We hope that the 55 additional personnel spaces will help to take care of that.

Senator CANNON. You mean you have only been doing two-thirds of the job now for some time past?

Dr. GRUBBS. Of the total work assigned-that is right, sir.

Senator CANNON. How much of a backlog have you built up then? Dr. GRUBBS. It has been built up in the order of a year to 18 months, but there are changes in priority, of course, that can take care of some of these.

Senator CANNON. All right, you may proceed then.
General SHULER. Yes, sir.

FORT HUACHUCA, ARIZ.

General SHULER. The next station is Fort Huachuca, Ariz. The chairman had me present the Army hospital here when the Surgeon

General of the Army was present, so we have already covered the first item thoroughly.

The other item at this station, sir, is on page 186.

It is a request for a power extension. This has to do with a radar complex which serves the eastern terminal and control of the surveillance system test facility corridor which extends clear to Yuma Proving Ground. Our economic studies reveal that this extension is more advantageous than to use generators at the site. Our studies show it costs about $18,000 a year for generator power and this would give us a more economical system.

Senator CANNON. All right, sir.

JEFFERSON PROVING GROUND, IND.

General SHULER. The next item, sir, is at Jefferson Proving Ground. I told the House Appropriations Committee, sir, that this has been underestimated in the field. We couldn't do this project for $11,000. We needed $26,000, and I would like the committee to note this and ask that this be raised, sir.

Senator CANNON. How come you underestimated it so badly?

General SHULER. This is just a mistake on the part of the field, sir. We need the project very badly. We will need to come back next year for $26,000.

Senator CANNON. All right; you may proceed.

WHITE SANDS MISSILE RANGE, N. MEX.

General SHULER. Page 190, White Sands Missile Range, N. Mex. It is for range instrumentation facilities. This is required, sir, to modernize and improve the range instrumentation facilities.

The present instrumentation consists of numerous unrelated systems which were established in support of individual test programs, and it does not meet current and future user requirements.

I believe the committee knows that the range is used by a number of important agencies, the Air Force, Navy, Army, the National Aeronautics and Space Agency, the AEC, the Defense Atomic Support Agency, the Advance Research Projects Agency, and other Government agencies. This project is essential, sir, to integrate into one unified system all range instrumentation facilities to permit effective operation and the required flexibility, sir, we need, and the optimum use of our existing resources.

This is the only major range, sir, which provides land-based instrumentation throughout the trajectory, and on-land recovery of missileborne instruments and warheads.

This is a very important item, sir, to us.

Senator CANNON. All right; you may proceed.

General SHULER. The next item, on page 191, for land acquisition at this station, $6 million, was deleted by the House Armed Services Committee and we do not make a reclama on it, sir.

We still think it is very important, but we do not make a reclama. Senator CANNON. You are willing that we follow the House action which was to delete this item?

General SHULER. Yes, sir.

Senator CANNON. All right, sir.