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Gradual Improvement of the Navy, &c.

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any loss to them, and the State would be debarred from day. The law had fixed no time to carry its provisions taxing those lands which the road would have so much in into effect. And what would gentlemen think of a concreased in value. He would ask the gentleman from tract between individuals in which no time was fixed for Maine, whether such a restriction on the State of Ohio its fulfilment ? Did gentlemen pretend to say that this agreed with his ideas of justice or magnanimity? He system was new? Was it not began in Virginia, and had certainly considered that Congress was bound to assist it not been practised in almost all the States in the Union ? this object,

Gentlemen might go to the top of the dome of the CapiMr. MACON said, that the State of Ohio, he knew, tol, and look down upon the city, and they would see could not tax the public lands for five years after they pavements along their avenue, which had cost thousands; were sold ; and gentlemen talked of this, as if it was a and a bill was now on the table to increase that expense great hardship. But it always appeared to him to be a several thousand dollars, in paving it in the McAdam benefit to the State, rather than an injury. It would do fashion, to keep the feet of members of Congress from the the State, he thought, very little good to tax people mud, while the People, who were struggling in the forest, when they had first settled in a wild country, and when were forgotten, and any application for their assistance, they had nothing to pay taxes with. It was supposed was rejected, as a matter of course. The gifts of the that the State ought to wait until they had scraped a lit. United States were scarce, indeed, to the Western States; tle something together, before they began to tax them; and, as to the two per cent. that had been so much talked and not lay a tax on poor People in the woods, who had of, it was an Indian gift-Congress had given it, and then as much as they could do to keep body and soul together. taken it away. The exemption from taxation for five years, seemed to Mr. HENDRICKS then moved to amend the bill, by him to have been of great benefit to the State of Ohio, as giving two alternate sections on each side of the road to it had brought in people to settle, and in that way in the company. creased the population.

| Mr. HOLMES said that, as he had before observed, he Mr. RUGGLES observed, that Ohio, with 800,000 in- thought this donation too large ; he therefore suggested habitants, was not wanting in enterprise, and could make to modify the amendment, so as to grant one alternate her own roads. As proof of this, he might mention that section on each side of the road; which was acceded to the State was now engaged in making a canal 300 miles by Mr. HENDRICKS. in length, which promised benefit to the Union at large. After a continuation of the debate by Messrs. WOOD. In this case they wanted a road, and they asked Congress, BURY, HARRISON, CHANDLER, JOHNSON, of Ky. as a great land-holder, to do their share towards it, as far SMITH, of Md. HOLMES, and RUGGLES, the amend. as it went through their lands. There was nothing unment was adopted, 19 to 15; :vhen the bill was ordered reasonable in this, nor was it more than any individual to be engrossed for a third reading. land-holder would be willing to accede to. He observed, that the road was an important one in a national point of

IMPROVEMENT OF THE NAVY. view, as well as promising to be of much consequence in The bill for the gradual improvement of the Navy of enhancing the value of the public lands near it.

the United States, was read the third tiine. Mr. WOODBURY inquired whether this Columbus and Mr. HOLMES said that this was an important bill, and Sandusky Turnpike Company was a public or private as- it would be recollected that he had taken some part in the sociation? If the State of Ohio was the party to whom discussion upon it a few days since. He had opposed the land was given, it would be recollected that Congress some provisions of the bill, and, among others, that for had already given to that State the extension of the Cum- the establishment of a Naval Academy, and, although his berland road, as an equivalent for an exemption of public opinions remained unchanged on those points, still there lands from taxation, for five years after their sale. If this were so many good parts to the bill, that he felt constrain. land was to be given to individuals, he saw no reason why ed to waive his objections to those provisions, and give they should be permitted to collect tolls from the United his vote in its favor. He would, therefore, call for the States. He thought, at least to the United States, the yeas and nays. road ought to be free.

The question on the passage of the bill was then taken, Mr. JARRISON said, that the land was to be given to and decided in the affirmative, by the following vote : the State for the specific purpose of aiding the company YEAS.-Messrs. Barton, Bateman, Bell, Berrien, Bou. in completing the road ; and care would be taken that in. I ligny, Chambers, Chase, Clayton, Edwards, Harrison, dividuals should not reap a benefit intended to be given Hayne, Holmes, Johnston, of Louisiana, Kane, Knight, to the United States,

Mills, Noble, Reed, Ridgely, Robbins, Sanford, Seymour, Mr. WOODBURY added, that it was a legal question | Silsbee, Smith, of Md. Thomas, Van Buren, Willey, whether the State could do otherwise than release the Woodbury.--28. lands to the company. He considered that the State NAYS — Messrs. Benton, Branch, Chandler, Dickerson, could do nothing further.

Eaton, Findlay, Johnson, of Ky. King, Mckinley, Macon, Mr. HOLMES asked, whether the donation of land was Marks, Randolph, Rowan, Ruggles, Smith, of s. C. Tazeto effect more than the construction of the road through well, White, W’illiams.-18. the lands belonging to the United States ? So far he After some conversation with regard to giving the thouglit Congress ought to go, being bound to do so both | Woollens' Bill the preference, the Senate proceeded to by considerations of justice and interest.

the consideration of the bill providing for the trial and ad. Mr. NOBLE said, that the Western States had been justment of land claims in the Southwestern States and unjustly charged with immodesty in their demands upon Territories. The reading of the bill, by sections. was Congress. The fact was, that they had been treated, in then commenced, and its details explained by Mr. SMITH. many instances, with any thing but justice ; and, if excite of South Carolina. ment was raised, the members from the West were not in Mr. REED moved an amendment to strike out the fault. A law had formerly been passed, granting two word Mississippi, wherever it occurred, throughout the per cent. on sales of land to some of the Western States, bill. which, by many of them. has never been realized. There This motion was supported by Mr. REED, at considerwas no limitation to the law; and, until within two years, able length, and opposed by Messrs. KANE and SMITH, Ohio had not received it, and the States of Indiana, Illi- of S. C. ; but the Senate adjourned without taking the nois, and Missouri, had not received one farthing to this question on the motion.

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Mostar, FEBRUARI 19, 1827.

Senate to send this bill to the Finance Committee, that at

least one report might be had upon it. He would ask DUTY ON WOOLLENS.

even the friends of the bill, whether it was not proper, Mr. DICKERSON moved to take up the bill to increase whether it was not a duty of the Senate, that the country the duties on certain manufactured articles of woollens, in at large should be informed of the effect which this mea. order to make it the special order of the day for to-mor- sure was likely to have on the finances of the country! It fow.

might be beneficial that was yet to be inquired into ; it Mr. BERRI EN said, he believed this to be a proper might also be injurious, to a vast extent, and this doubt. time to propose the reference of this bill to the Finance ful question ought to be decided, as far as foresight and Committee. It seemed to have been generally agreed, investigation could effect it, before the bill was passed up. when the reference was discussed a few days since, that on. The Senate had appointed a committee of experithis bill contained provisions which rendered it a measure enced men, to consult upon all questions touching the properly to be referred to the Finance Committee as well subject of finance, and they ought to be directed to consi. as to that on Manufactures. At the present time, it was der the bill in its bearing on that department. The rea. a question of serious import, what effect it was likely to sons advanced against this reference, were two-the first, have on the finances of the country. He therefore moved that there was not time to allow the investigation required to refer the bill to the Committee on Finance.

of the Finance Committee ; and the second, that the inem. Mr. DICKERSON said, that, when it was taken into bers of that committee were unfriendly to the measure. consideration that the Finance Committee were ignorant It had been said by the gentleman from New Jersey, that of the details of the bill, and that they must therefore ap- the Chairman of ihe committee was opposed to the bill. ply for inforination to the Treasury Department ; that the This would not, however, be of any weight, as the opingenii men of that Committee were avowedly inimical to ions of that gentleman would not prejudge the bill, or the bull; and that the delay which was thus proposed, delay its progress. The gentleman, it was true, had said Wuuld most probably destroy it, he was constrained to op- that it would be necessary to apply to the Treasury De. pose the reference. He was convinced, if the motion partment ; and, if it was admitted that the bill could not was adopted, the bill would be lost, as the time taken up be safely passed, without such an application, should they in the inquiry would make the action upon it so late, that go on recklessly, and pass the bill without it? Should it would be impossible to pass it this year. It was very they adopt a measure of so much importance, without evident that it must be acted upon soon, if at all, this ses having obtained light upon its effects, without being sension. As he therefore considered the motion made to desible of what they were doing? But the gentleman froin feat the bill, he would ask the yeas and nays on the ques. New Jersey said, that a reference to the Finance Comtion.

mittee would prevent the bill from being acted upon this Mr. HOLMES observed, that, in some remarks on this year. And was this a good reason for neglecting to take subject, made by him a few days since, he had stated that the usual precaution. When a measure of such exten-, it was proper that the bill should go to the Committee of sive consequences was presented to the Senate, should Finance, to allow an inquiry whether the finances of the they act upon it without information, because it was feared country could bear the measure, should it be found, in that it could not otherwise be acted upon this year? The other respects, a beneficial bill. He also thought so now. time was come for referring the bill to the Finance Com. He was of opinion that it sbould be referred to the Finance mittee ; and, in case the motion was adopted, the inforinaCommittee, supposing it did not injure the bill. He had tion required could be immediately obtained, and the bilt supposed, when it went to the Committee on Manufac. would be speedily reported upon. tures, tbat it would have been reported upon, and then, Mr. DICKERSON remarked, that, if this course was that it would have gone to the Finance Committee, giv- taken, a motion would doubtless be made hereafter, to ing them the advantage of the views of the Committee on refer the bill to the Committee on Agriculture, for an inManufactures. He was now sorry that the views present. quiry into its probable effects on that interest ; and thus ed by the Chairman of that Committee had not been it would be bandied about, from committee to committee, printed ; as he wished, before the bill went farther, to have until the object of postponing it until next year, should the views of that committee, and he should therefore op- have been attained. Gentlemen were aware that the birl pose, at this time, its reference to the Committee on Fi- bad long been under the consideration of the other House, nance.

yet they said, that a detailed report was to have been exMr. SMITII, of Maryland, said that he believed the Fi-pected from the Committee on Manufactures, although it Dance Committee would endeavor to understand the bill was well known that it would have occasioned a delay of perfectly, before they reported it, although they would several days; and his motion now was intended to put give rise to no unnecessary delay. He understood, when the bill in such a state of progress, as to bring it up at as the bill went to the Committee on Manufactures, that it early a period as possible, for the consideration of the Sen. went there as a manufacturer's bill; also, that when it ate. The fullest investigation of the subject had taken should be sent to the Finance Committee, it would be as place in the other House, and he thought a report upon a finance bill, and that, as such, they would be bound to it now would rather eiscumber than elucidate it. He al. examine its effect on the revenue, and report the result of so recollected, that, on a former occasion, the Committee that examination.

on Manufactures did not report upon a similar bill. The Mr. HAYNE said, he had been afraid that the time would tariff bill of 1824 was reported upon immediately, as in tever come, to refer this bill to the Finance Comınittee. this instances and among the members of that committee, When that reference had been urged, a few days since, was a correct and able merchant from Massachusetts, (Mr. it bad been said that it was not the proper time, and that LLOYD) who did not advise an elaborate report. If the the bill must first have a reference to the Committee on committee had reported on this bill ever so copiously, Manufactures. It had, accordingly, taken that direction, they could have given no more information than was conand that committee had reported it without one particle tained in the documents now on the table. As to the of information, as to its effects, either upon the manufac. views of the committee or of himself, should the bill be tuning or the financial interests of the country. No views considered by the Senate, they would be explained in the had been afforded the Senate, from that committee ; for debate upon its merits. He hoped, therefore, that it Mr. H. put aside the views of the Chairman, as those of might be speedily acted upon. an individual : but it had been laid upon the table, just as Mr. BRANCH observed, that, when, the other day, this it came from the other House. And now, they ask thc bill was referred to the Committee on Manufactures, he SENATE.)

Duty on Woollens.

(FEB. 19, 1827.

had hoped the gentlemen who had advocated it, would be been for three months, in one way or another, before Con. disposed to allow it to be examined in all its bearings. He gress. The motion was now to refer it to the Finance had hoped particularly, that its effects upon the revenue Committee, and if it prevailed, the bill would be killed ; might be thoroughly investigated. Would it be a sign of for when reported upon, it would be too late to act upon wisdom to allow a bill to pass, which assailed the resour. it during this session. It was objected that this measure ces of the country, without even inquiring how far its would affect the revenue ; but, gentlemen did not reeflects were to extend ? Were they to pass, so lightly, a member that a bill was passed a few days since, to reduce bill which might bring upon the People the evil of di- the duties on teas, wines, &c. He believed there was no rect taxation? When the situation of the country, when report from the Finance Committee on that. (Mr. SMITH, the excitement raised by this bill, and the effects predi. of Maryland, said there was one last year.) Mr. RUGcated, were taken into consideration, the Senate had great GLES : The reduction on those articles was greater reason for investigating this measure closely, and keeping than that contemplated by this bill, yet, there appeared a wary eye on its results. In the commercial emporium to be no alarm then. Now, when it is proposed to assist of the country this excitement was great, and called for the manufacturers, weakened and depressed by compeattention. He alluded to the memorial of the New York titition, they were told that the revenue would not perChamber of Commerce, which told them that, by pass. mit. Other parts of the country, and other classes of ing this bill, they would reduce the revenue more than community were flourishing ; and when two thirds of the one million and a half. And when they were told this, was country were anxious for the passage of this bill, he it proper to depend upon chance ; to pass this bill at all thought the Senate were bound to take it up. There was hazards, and trust, in so momentous a question, to the no necessity for referring it to the Finance Committce. wild dreams of conjecture? The gentleman from New He knew that the gentlemen of that Committee were Jersey had said that the bill might be referred to the ready to act upon it. The Chairman was too well acCommittee on Agriculture. But it was not so. The Com- quainted with every subject touching the finances, to be mitee on Agriculture was a mere excrescence in the Sen- unprepared to act upon the bill. Mr. R. should be pleasate, and had no weight ; still, he thought the interests of ed to hear that gentleman, when the bill came up, on its the agriculturists entitled to attention, even on a subject effect upon the revenue. If revenue was the sole object, like this ; and that it would as well become the Senate | why not destroy all the manufactures of the country, to inquire into the effect of the bill upon the agricultural and all the cotton plantations ? Then, the Government interest as any other. He hoped the motion of the gen- might collect a boundless revenue ; but the effect would tleman from Georgia would prevail. He believed the ef. be to desolate the whole country : for the wealth of a nafect of the bill would be far more important on the reve. tion depended upon the encouragement of its industry. nue thar was by many supposed. He believed that if its The gentleman from South Carolina was not unreasonaresults were such as were feared by the opponents of the bly opposed to the bill. It was against the interest of his measure, it would eventuate in direct taxation. He bec constitutents, to manufacture a yard of cloth in the coun. lieved that such was the tendency of many of the mea- try. Their shipping would not then be employed to imsures of late gaining ground. And when that time ar- port it. But it must be recollected, that manufactures rived, he trusted that the People would rise in their ma- were the cause of the cheapness of articles. If there were jesty, and arrest the wheels of Government in their ruin- none, the merchant would charge what price he pleased. ous carcer. But a few days since some of the gentleinen The more manufactures were encouraged, the more the who now appeared in favor of this bill opposed most stren- prices would be reduced. uously the reduction of the duty on salt. The reduction Mr. BERRIEN said, that the gentleman from Ohio misof 300,000 dollars of revenue was then declared alarmn- took his object in making the motion for the reference to ing. What then would be the effect of this bill? It was the Finance Coinmittee. It was not only to obtain inforwell known that the People of the South were never more mation for himself, but he desired to have placed on the embarrassed. They were not able to bear this burthen, tables of the Senators, an official statement, as to the efmuch less a resort to direct taxation. At present they fect of this bill on the revenue, with the documents on were scarcely able to support the expenses of their es- which that statement is founded. This was not to be ob. tablishments ; and yet, because there happened to be a tained from the other House ; and it could come from no liitle excitement among the manufacturers ; because their source with so much propriety as from the Committec to profits were not large enough ; the People were to be which he moved to refer it. He expressed surprise at saddled with this bill. He respected the gentleman from the course the discussion had taken. When the subject New Jersey, and was sorry to see him enlisted under such had been debated a few days since, it was said that it was banners. Tlat very gentleman admitted the depression merely a question of order and of time, as to its reference of the agricultural class in his own Statc, and still he was to the Committee on Finance. That it should be so re. about to burthen them further. Mr. B. said he wished he ferred, was then admitted ; but it was urged, that its first could see that gentleman in the State which he [Mr. B.) reference should be to the Committee on that interest represented. He would commiserate the condition of which was to be protected by the measure. It had been those whom he waz now striving to depress.

referred to the Committee on Manufactures, and no re. They had but a few remaining days to act at all ; and he port had been made upon it. Here was a measure for the could not, on the ground that otherwise the bill would benefit of a particular class of the community, and by not be acted on this session, consent to rush into the con- which the finances of the country were to be affected, sideration of it unprepared. It were far better to wait and through them, the whole country. Was it, then, un. until next year. He believed that the most pernicious reasonable to ask that the Finance Comınittee should ex. effects would spring from the bill; that it would tend to amine the bill, and weigh its consequences ! But, the sever the bends of the community, and weake: the affec- friends of the bill opposed the reference, because it was tions of the People, while it would forge chains for the now too late to admit of this investigation. On the con. hands of the agriculturists of the country.

trary, he thought that, if a bill came before the Senate at Mr. RUGGLES hoped a fair opportunity would be so late a period that it could not be acted upon as the given to decide on the merits of the bill. Gentlemen subject demanded, it should not be acted upon this year. complained that they were uninformed as to its design But, the gentlemen in favor of this bill, did not act in conand effects. But, there were various memorials on the cert. · Their arguments at least were at variance. One table in relation to the subject; it had been for many said, that it was too late to admit of the elaborate investiweeks under discussion in the other House ; and it had gation required to obtain information upon this subject

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while another had said that the Finance Committee were it would be at least two millions. If it did increase the already in possession of that information. But, the object revenue this year, he doubted whether it would make up with Str. B. was, that the Senate should act as it ought. the deficiency which had been discovered. But the mer. He wished that an official report might be obtained, that chants could not import again, and they would lose the the People might see under what circumstances the Sen- whole amount of duties. He might, possibly, be led away ate had acted on this occasion.

by his desire to keep sound and safe the revenue of the Mr. SMITH, of Maryland, said, that the gentleman from country. It was, however, bis duty to feel as he did, as Ohio had complimented him, by observing that he was long as he was not willing to witness a wanton reduction always ready to act upon any subject. He would allow of the finances, for the benefit of one grasping-class of that he was always ready to act upon bills reported by the community. himself. But, in this case, he was certainly unprepared. Mr. SILSBĚe believed the gentleman, who had just It had been said, that this bill did not affect all articles of yielded the floor, had allowed that he was somewhat led Woollens: this was true ; but it was no recommendation away by bis feelings. He had said that a trick was put to the bill, which really ought to be called a bill to tax the by this bill upon the merchants. He could assure the poor for the benefit of the rich. The rich had their broad-gentleman that the manufacturers with whom he was cloth with no addition of duty, while the poor man was to acquainted were, many of them, high-minded, honorable be taxed beyond sufferance for the articles required by men, who would be the last men to stoop to a trick to him. He had the satisfaction to know, that the result favor their interests. which he had predicted on the passage of the bill of 1824, (Mr. SMITH said that he intended nothing personal. had taken place ; that the measure had a two-fold effect, He alluded to the bill, and not to the manufacturers and had, in soine measure, cut the throats of the Manufac- individually.) turers themselves. This bill, to advance the interests of Mr. SILSBEE resumed: Some of the manufacturers, the planufacturers, was now crowded upon the Senate, at who were known to him, had formerly been merchants, the expense of every other measure. Even the bill for who, finding they could no longer import to advantage, the seulement of the Colonial trade was to be pushed had become manufacturers. The names of many such aside to give place for this bill upon a single article in the were attached to the memorials upon the table. They Tariff. The gentleman froin Ohio said, that the bill had had no design to put a trick upon Congress, even were been discussed in the other House ; but he, (Mr. S.) had they mistaken in their views. He felt surprise at some been otherwise employed than to listen to those debates of the remarks of the gentleman from Maryland, when The matter came now fresh before him, and he wished to that gentleman knew many of the names upon the memo. investigate it thoroughly beforc he gave bis vote upon it. rials. The bill had been fully acted on in the other The other House acted deliberately, and with inforination House ; and he presumed that the Chairman of the before them. There was no such management there to committee on Manufactures would explain the views in push through this bill for the benefit of one class of Peo- its favor, if the Senate gave him an opportunity. He ple to the prejudice of others—and that one was the only hoped the bill would be made the special order of the class in the whole country who were doing a prosperous day for to-morrow. As to the teeth or tongue of the business : for, while the Manufacturers were dividing gentleman, however well he might use the latter, Mr. S. twelve per cent. on their capital, no other class could did not think the former were in danger. make six. Nothing would serve them, lowever, after all Mr. SMITH, of Maryland, explained, that he intend. that had been done for them, but a prohibition. We have ed to attribute no trick to the manufacturers, but to the given them our teeth, and now they ask for our tongues. operation of the bill, which was to go into effect on the No concession would satisfy them until they were allowed first of August, when the merchants must inevitably to put their hands into the pockets of the other classes, to suffer by it. serve their own views. What Congress gave them in Mr. HAYNE observed, that the Chairman of the Com1824, has only emboldened them to inake louder claims. mittee on Manufactures had alluded to a gentleman who Yes, I repeat, they are the only class whose pursuits are was no longer a member of the Senate, and who was not profitable. The merchant is failing ; his cargoes will not here to explain his own conduct. He referred to Mr. , pay their cost ; the farmers are poor and depressed ; but LLOYD, of Massachusetts. And Mr. H. now rose to rescue these classes must be loaded heavier still for the good of his name from the uses to which it had been applied. On the Janufacturers. By this bill, all the different me- the tariff question, his conduct had been able and manly, i chanics were taxed for the benefit of the Manufacturers. and the People of the South owed him a lasting debt of The gentleman on the other side had said, that he, (Mr. gratitude for the firmness and zeal of his opposition to the 8.] was opposed to the bill. So far, he certainly did think tariff bill of 1824. As the Chairman of the Committee on that its effects would be bad. What then! It was the Manufactures had not correctly stated the course pursued opinion of one gentieman, or one Senator only, and no by that gentleman, (Mr. Llord] he would explain it. one vas bound to subscribe to it. When the Tariff of When the tariff bill was before that committee, of which 1824 was under consideration, I differed with other gen. he was a member, he opposed the course taken by the demen. I thought it would increase the revenue, and its majority ; but, finding his opinions spumed at and operation would be simply a tax, a severe las, on the neglected, he folded his arms, and sat in silence at their People. But this bill must operate as a prohibition to deliberations. He afterwards came into the Senate, and many articles, and of course be highly injurious to the advocated the reference of the bill to the Finance Conirevenue. It was a mere trick, to catch the unsuspecting mittee ; but that endeavor was overruled. Mr. H. hoped merchant; or why was its operation to begin on the first the name of the gentleman from Massachusetts would not of August, when the merchant, who has already ordered again be misapplied, or his conduct misrepresented. As. goods, would be caught, and be forced to pay the duty on to the manufacturers, he felt no personal enmity to them ; goods which he never would have ordered, had he been but, when a bill was to be discussed, which would auaware of the passage of this bill? It was also a delusion thorize them to take from the pocket of the other classes in point of revenue.' It would increase the revenue this to fill their own-which was to fix upon the South a bura year ; but next year there would be an enormous falling densome and disproportionate tax-be felt it his duty to off, because there would be no importation--a falling of speak, as a citizen, and as a legislator ; and to express he did not doubt beyond the million and a half computed aloud his opinion of the measures and effects of the bill. by the New York Chumber of Commerce. He believed in doing this, he placed individuals cntirely out of sight;

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Duty on Woollens.

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he knew them not, and did not wish to know them; he commit the bill for that purpose ; the amendment could regarded solely his duty and his conscience ; nor should be offered in the Senate. his tongue be tied by the fear of displeasing any class of Mr. TAZEWELL advocated the motion, as it was but the community.

an extension of equal justice. It would hold out en. Mr. DICKERSON explained as to his statement in couragement to the wool growers, as well as to the manrelation to Mr. LLOYD.

ufacturers. He entered into a computation, at considera. Mr. SMITH, of South Carolina, said, that when this ble length, to show that the duties fixed by this bill, while bill was under discussion a few days since, he thought it they were nominally 36 per cent., were, in reality, in had been admitted that it was to go to the Finance Com- some instances, 110 per cent., and, in others, 185 per mittee, and that the only question was as to which com-cent. No other class of industry was encouraged in this mittec it should first be referred to. He would ask the manner ; and he considered it entirely disproportionate, Senate if they were prepared to act on this bill without He thought it essential to have a report upon the subject, inquiring into its effect upon the revenue ? If others from some committee, as this was a measure which dewere, he was not : for he looked upon this measure as pended on figures ; and on such subjects, above all others, an inroad into the public finances, the extent of which it written evidence was required. As to the opinion of the was essential to know. The gentleman of North Caro gentleman from Ohio, in relation to the encouragement of lina had alluded to the farmers and planters of the South, domestic industry, he seemed to take into consideration and explained their depressed condition. Mr. S. knew no industry but manufacturing. Mr. T. thought that the the distress which reigned in those States, more particu- domestic industry of the agriculturist and the merchant larly among the cotton planters ; and he could say, with were also as much the home industry of the country as out fear of controversy, that the price of cotton did not manufactures, and worthy encouragement. pay them for taking it out of the field. Still they had Mr. DICKERSON said that he saw much difficulty in not complained ; and when, in the times of the embargo making the amendment proposed. There were four and non-intercourse, their crops were rotting in their minimums, and it would be necessary to make also four store houses, and only here and there a choice bag was minimums upon wool, and calculate the duty upon them. bought by the Northern manufacturers, they did not mur. This would delay the bill, which, he hoped, would not mur. They were silent at present; but they could not take place. remain forever silent. He was not in the habit of going The question on Mr. BENTON'S motion was decided to the Departments for information ; but he had done it in the negative, 23 to 24the merrbers voting precisely in one instance, and was informed that he must obtain it as on the preceding question. through the Sepate. The gentleman from New Jersey, Mr. BENTON then moved to recommit the bill, with had informed them that the information was on the table. instructions to prohibit the importation of foreign unThe memorials were there, he knew ; but they were in- manufactured wool, after the 1st of January, 1828. Mr. formation on one side only. As to the supposition that B. said, we imported last year foreign wool to the value the Senators should go to the other House, and gain in- of $ 450,000. This bill professes to encourage domestic formation from the debates, for his own part, he had no industry, and, especially, the growth of domestic sheep time to devote in that manner. It was said that it was and wool. A protecting duty, equal to 140 per cent. at too late to allow a reference of this bill to the Committee | least, is proposed by it to be laid on imported woollen on Finance. But where they ready to pass the bill, with cloths, and this for the protection of home manufactures; or without the information, at all hazards ? If so, he at the same time, a nominal and insignificant duty is prowould not have troubled himself to utter a word on the posed to be laid on importations of foreign wool. I subject. He knew that he could obtain from his friend have just moved to recommit the bill, (said Mr. B.] for on his right (Mr. DICKERSON) all the information neces. the purpose of making the duty of the last equal to the sary as to the effect of the bill on the manufactures of the first ; in other words, to give the same degree of proteccountry. But he wished also to comprehend its bearings tion to the farmers who grow wool, which is given to the upon the revenue. Until he obtained that information, great capitalists who manufacture it. The motion was he should be acting in ignorance of the consequences of lost ; and, as I am well assured that the duties, on a large the measure. When the Senate made the subject to be proportion of the woollen cloths, will amount to a proacted upon, the information was naturally before them; hibition upon their future importation, I have now moved but it was not to be supposed that the Senators were to to recommit for the purpose of extending the prohibition understand, by intuition, the ground on which a bill had to foreign wool. I think my motion reasonable. The inbeen matured in the other House. He respected the tention of the bill is to encourage the home manufacture opinions of the House of Representatives ; but he never of wool ; and, certainly, it is contradictory and absurd to pinned his faith upon them, or took them to be conclu encourage the domestic manufacture of a foreign mate. sive. He, therefore, hoped the bill would be referred to rial, when we have the material at home in sufficient the Finance Committee.'

abundance. This is contradictory on its face, and more Mr. REED said that, being entirely opposed to this so, when we are told that it is the intention of the bill also bill, and being a member of the Committee of Manufac. to encourage the growth of domestic sheep and wool. tures, which reported the bill, it was due to himself and The capitalists who manufacture wool, are few in mumto the Senate, to state, that he had not agreed to, but ber-I believe there is but one manufactory in the opposed, the report made by a majority of the committee. Western country-but, the farmers, who raise sheep, are It should be known that the report of the bill was numerous ; they cover more than half the States in the not unanimous; and, intending to vote against the bill, Union, and their interest ought to be promoted, instead it was due to consistency, to say that he was opposed to of being sacrificed to a few manufacturers, who had it in the committee.

rather give $ 450,000 to foreigners, than to their own The question was then taken on referring the bill to fellow.citizens. the Finance Committee, and decided in the negative Mr. HAYNE said he should not, under ordinary cir23 to 24.

cumstances, be in favor of a prohibition of the importa. Mr. BENTON then moved to recommit the bill to the tion of raw wool into this country, because he was oppose Committee on Manufactures, with instructions to amend ited to the prohibitory system in any shape. But here was so as to make the duty on unmanufactured wool, and wool a bill for the benefit of the manufacturers, in which it on the skin, equal to the duty on cloth.

was proposed to prohibit a large portion of the foreign Mr. DICKERSON said that it was not necessary to re-woQdcn cloths now imported into this country, and, in

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