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The above chart is computed on a total of 12,701 accidents. Since more than one causual factor may be assigned to a single accident, the total number of causal factors assigned to the aforementioned 12,701 accidents is 20,636. The percentages were computed on the total number of causal factors.

31-706-64-pt. 1-7

RESPONSIBILITY FOR ACCIDENT INVESTIGATIONS

Senator ALLOTT. While we are on that, where are we on this question of who investigates what?

Mr. BOYD. I think we are right where we were, Senator Allott. The CAB investigates all air carrier accidents, and I believe it is fair to say that the FAA also investigates all air carrier accidents. The CAB investigates all fatal non-air-carrier accidents, and the FAA by virtue of public notice 13 under delegated authority from the Board investigates all nonfatal general aviation accidents involving aircraft weighing-grossing less than 12,500 pounds.

CAB/FAA DUPLICATION OF EFFORT

Senator ALLOTT. Again I ask you the question that we have asked you many times. Has this resulted in duplication of effort?

Mr. BOYD. No. I do not think so. Actually the way it works, on the air carrier accidents where most of the manpower-where the greatest concentration of manpower is, the FAA works under the direction and supervision of the CAB, and between us we do not have enough people to do the total job.

Senator ALLOTT. You do not have any duplication in the nonfatal under 12,500 gross.

Mr. BOYD. No, sir.

Senator ALLOTT. Because the FAA is doing that.

Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir.

Senator ALLOTT. But then in this other area you work together? You do not do the entire job or does the FAA

Mr. BOYD. The job is done the Board has the responsibility for establishing the probable cause, and the Board has responsibility for conducting the accident investigation. The FAA probably legally could operate a separate investigation if it so desired. I am not sure that is the case, but I think at least the FAA feels that it could, and we have never questioned that because it is purely theory.

In point of fact, when an accident occurs, we advise the FAA who the investigator in charge is for the CAB. The FAA then designates an FAA coordinator who works with our investigator in charge. He gives our investigator in charge the names of the FAA people who will participate in the accident investigation. We then establish teams, and we assign CAB investigators, FAA investigators, air carrier personnel, Airline Pilots Association personnel, engine airframe manufacturers to these various teams so that the net result is that we have one investigation going. The FAA is sometimes looking for different things than we are.

ACCIDENT RATE FOR 1963

Senator SALTONSTALL. Mr. Chairman, the 1963 figures show that there was 1 percent of fatal accidents to every million miles, is that correct?

Mr. BOYD. Accident rate per million miles flown.

Senator ALLOTT. Does 0.01 mean 1 percent or 1.01 percent?

Mr. BOYD. That means ten one-thousandths.

Senator SALTONSTA LL. This gentleman here says

Mr. TANGUAY. Which chart are you referring to, Senator? This is U.S. certificated route and supplemental air carriers, total opera

tions. (Exhibit 2 of the statement.) This would be 0.01 or onetenth of 1 percent.

Senator SALTONSTALL. If you want to correct it for the record, Mr. Boyd, I won't hold you up.

Mr. BOYD. Well, the figure is right.

Senator SALTONSTALL. I asked this gentleman. He said 1 percent. Mr. BOYD. It is not 1 percent.

Senator ALLOTT. It either has to be 1 percent or one-tenth of 1 percent. One-hundredth of 1 percent.

Mr. BOYD. One-tenth of 1 percent.

Senator SALTONSTALL. Would you put it aright?

Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir. We will put this on a fractional basis so that we can all understand it.

The chart shows 0.010 fatal accidents per 1 million miles flown. This may be expressed as one one-hundredth of a fatal accident for each 1 million miles flown or 1 fatal accident for each 100 million miles flown.

Senator ALLOTT. You proceed, Mr. Boyd.

TRAINING FOR SAFETY PERSONNEL

Mr. BOYD. I am happy to say, that unlike last year, we now are able to provide some sorely needed training for our safety personnel so they can maintain their proficiency in this rapidly changing technological field. Keeping technical personnel abreast with advances in the state of the art is one of our real critical problems. We aim to provide continuous refresher training to the staff through courses offered by manufacturers, educational institutions, or other Government agencies.

During the first half of this fiscal year 32 people attended 17 different training courses. During the last half of this fiscal year we plan to send an equal number to other training courses.

ACCIDENT INVESTIGATION SCHOOL

Also available to us is the National Aircraft Accident Investigation School at Oklahoma City established jointly by the CAB and FAA. This school is a job-oriented practical course in the latest techniques of aircraft-accident investigation aimed at teaching our personnel who have accident-investigation duties the latest techniques, procedures, and methods of conducting an investigation.

The school opened September 30, 1963, with a prototype class limited to 15 students selected from the CAB and FAA. This first class was completed in November 1963. Based on our evaluation of the results of this first course, refinements in the curriculum material were made and incorporated in the course of study for the second class which began in early March. Seven CAB investigators were in the first class, and the same number is in the second class. We have scheduled 27 persons to complete the course at the school in fiscal 1964 and 49 in 1965.

We believe that this school is a worthwhile undertaking, and it will be one of the most valuable contributions in many years to the improvement in aircraft accident investigation knowledge and skills.

If our investigating personnel are to live up to the worldwide reputation of experts that they have achieved, they must be schooled in the latest developments in the science and art of aviation and flying.

CAB CONTRIBUTION TO COST OF NAAIS

Senator ALLOTT (now presiding.) Now, Mr. Boyd, at this point, will you put in the record the amount that CAB has contributed to this school, the total number of students in 1963, the total additional cost over salary that this costs the CAB if you have it. You have it somewhere, I am sure.

Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir; I do. Now, I do not have it in terms of 1963 because if I could do it on fiscal 1964

Senator ALLOTT. All right, let's do it that way. Particularly, I am interested in how much you contribute to the cost of the school. Mr. BOYD. For fiscal 1964, $76,600. That includes salaries. Senator ALLOTT. How much of that was salaries?

Mr. BOYD. $44,600.

Senator ALLOTT. You mean salaries of people instructing in the schools.

Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir. On the balance, the figures are for travel and transportation of the school staff, $14,400; transportation of household goods, $1,600; and the Board's share of the school operating costs, $16,000. Of this amount, for fiscal 1964 approximately $11,000 was nonrecurring. So that the recurring expenses will be at the rate of $65 or $66,000 per year.

Senator MAGNUSON. We are on page 7?

ENROLLMENT AND STAFFING OF NAAIS

Mr. BOYD. And as far as the number of people involved, as I told you, as I just testified, we had 15 people in the first class. And we are running 16 at the present time, and that is what we propose to use as the basic figure, 16 people to a class. We have 27 people from the Board scheduled to complete the course in fiscal 1964, and the FAA is putting in one more man that we are, so I would say the FAA will have approximately 30 people in fiscal 1964 for a total of 57 people, and there will be roughly 112 people in 1965.

Senator MAGNUSON. Off the record.

(Discussion off the record.)

Senator MONRONEY. The school is staffed at the present time by employees of CAB and FAA?

Mr. BOYD. That is right.

Senator MONRONEY. The faculty would be employed regardless of whether you have it

Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir.

PURPOSE OF NA AIS

Senator MONRONEY. The men that are going to school are permanent employees who are skilled in the investigative techniques, in the engineering problems, other flight problems, so that they would be able to instruct, as they have done in the past, a great deal of informally trained people in the real causes of airplane accidents and then set about trying to find corrective methods?

WIDESPREAD INTEREST IN NAAIS

Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir; that is correct; and I would like to add, if I may, Senator Monroney, that there is tremendous interest in this school. The Airlines Pilots Association has inquired whether or not they can participate, and we have told them certainly, we expect to open it up at such time as we feel that the course is in a position where we can handle outside people. And, of course, I say we expect to do that. There has been no decision reached on it, but it is contemplated.

INTEREST OF FOREIGN AVIATION AUTHORITIES

One of the most important things that we contemplate may develop is that there is also a tremendous amount of interest on the part of foreign countries. Both the British and Spanish aviation authorities have talked to me personally requesting slots for the school, and as you probably know, by virtue of your membership on the Commerce Committee, we have considerable difficulty in investigating accidents involving U.S. carriers or U.S. manufactured aircraft where there is an accident in a foreign country. Under the ICAO Convention, we are entitled or permitted to participate as observers where U.S. carrier aircraft have accidents in a foreign country, and in a number of cases we have been given the title and no information. Of course, this is something that we feel we cannot tolerate, and it is our hope that over a period of time as we are able to get foreign technical personnel into this school, they can appreciate what we are trying to do and that we have the total interest of safety involved, and we are not trying to look down anybody else's throat. We think this is going to pay big dividends in the years to come.

Senator MONRONEY. In other words, an accident of an Americanmade plane might occur in Switzerland, perhaps, Belgium or anyplace else.

Mr. BOYD. Absolutely.

FACILITIES FOR SCHOOL

Senator MONRONEY. The school is for the correction of operating techniques or mechanical defects. There has been no necessity for construction of any facilities there.

Mr. BOYD. No, sir.

Senator MONRONEY. This is all new. Tenants use the plant that FAA has, is that correct?

Mr. BOYD. That is right, and they have tightened it up, and we are using very little room, but it is a very complete establishment, and I would hope that if you gentlemen, any of you, are in the vicinity of Oklahoma City, you will take the opportunity to look in, and I think you will be thoroughly gratified at what is being done there. Senator MONRONEY. That is all I have.

Senator MAGNUSON. The Chair will designate a committee of one, the Senator from Oklahoma, to look into it.

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