It is inevitable that these uncompensated citizens will become less enthusiastic in their giving of service unless adequate clerical personnel is provided. The request for fiscal year 1965 includes the provision for such services in project 30. The Selective Service System, which is decentralized, is organized on a pyramidal structure, the broad base of which is the local and appeal board element where the contact is maintained with over 271⁄2 million registrants by the uncompensated members of the System and the local and appeal board clerks who staff the 4,046 local boards and the 94 appeal boards. The next largest group is composed of the 56 State headquarters; the relatively small group which comprises the national headquarters is the apex.

The strength of the Selective Service System lies in the fact that classification is the responsibility of those uncompensated civilians living in the communities with the registrants. They have no pecuniary interest in their position but perform their tasks as a patriotic service.

The size of the calls or the number of inductions in any given period directly affects only one cost factor; namely, selectee travel. This estimate for fiscal year 1965 is based on the induction of 100,000 registrants.

Executive Orders Nos. 10166 and 10185 created the National Advisory Committee on the Selection of Physicians, Dentists, and Allied Specialists. Pursuant to these orders, the Selective Service System is required to furnish funds for its operation and provision is included herein.

Executive Order No. 9988 created the National Selective Service Appeal Board. The Selective Service System is required to pay the members of the Board and "to furnish suitable office space and other necessary facilities and service." This requires more personnel in national headquarters to the extent necessary to meet this requirement. This budget includes a request for funds to accomplish this purpose.

The principal factors in this request for an increase in 1965 over 1964 are: (1) The unprecedented increase in new registrations as estimated in the table below based on Bureau of Census figures related to experience. (2) Administrative increases in pay to local board clerks has been provided comparable to those given to classified employees by the pay act. For 1963, this was 181⁄2 pay periods. For 1964, it is provided for the full-year plus the additional increase in pay to be effective January 1, 1964, and for 1965 on the basis of the last half of fiscal year 1964. (3) Within-grade pay raises for classified employees. Pay act increases are included for classified employees. No additional positions are provided for classified employees.

The following 10-year table shows the experience and projection of the number of new registrations in future years:

Since the submission of the 1964 appropriation, several factors have increased our workload. (1) Department of Defense estimate of 129.000 was revised in August to 147,000; (2) on September 10 childless husbands other than volunteers were put in a delayed call status, and (3) in May of 1963 the standards for acceptance of certain registrants were raised. No official approval of a supplemental has been given, however, if goals are to be met, it is expected that a supplemental appropriation for 1964 will be required.

A request is included for the replacement of motor vehicles. In fiscal year 1964, 22 vehicles will be replaced. For 1965, 13 are being requested for the amount of $23,100. These are: (1) five automobiles to replace those which have

passed both the age and mileage requirements; and (2) eight station wagons, all of which have met the age and mileage requirements.

Our fleet consists of 1 heavy sedan replaced in 1961 and scheduled to be replaced again in 1964, 44 other automobiles, 27 station wagons; and 12 trucks, 1 of which is 11⁄2 tous, the balance 1 ton or less. The heavy sedan is located in Washington, D.C., assigned to the Director of Selective Service. The balance of the equipment is in areas where there are no General Services motor pools available. They are principally used by the State directors and the officials of State headquarters for contact with local boards within their respective States. The station wagons are used also to deliver light equipment and supplies to local boards. Consolidated summary of objective classification

Senator MAGNUSON. Then you have supplemental estimates of $3,098,000. Is this added to it?

General HERSHEY. No; the $3 million we add to the $38 million. In other words, we are asking for $43 million. That is $5 million. ahead of last year's, $2 million ahead of last year's regular plus supplemental which we have asked for and haven't gotten yet, and this

year then is $2 million more, and we are calling attention to the fact that it is $2 million less than it would have been had we inducted as many people next year as this year. So it would have been $45 million had our inductions been as great next year as this year.

Senator MAGNUSON. What is the status of the $3.098 million?
General HERSHEY. It is in the House.

Senator MAGNUSON. It is not included in this?

General HERSHEY. No, sir; not in this.

Senator MAGNUSON. It will be heard by the Senate committee, I understand, next week when they get the deficiency bill over there.

FISCAL YEAR 1965 BUDGET REQUEST

Senator ALLOTT. I have got to get straightened out, Mr. Chairman. The budget is $43 million. How much are you asking for? Is that what you are asking for?

General HERSHEY. Yes, sir.

Senator ALLOTT. The $3.098 million in the deficency doesn't mean anything.

General HERSHEY. Except that it reduces the difference between the two. We are $5 million above last year's original request, but last year we expected an added $3 million which we are asking for now so we are only $2 million above last year's budget estimate.

Senator ALLOTT. I must be a little sleepy this morning.

General HERSHEY. No, sir; I have a little trouble with this one myself, but there is $2 million difference between last year's budget and supplemental and regular, and this year's.

FISCAL YEAR 1964 APPROPRIATION

Senator MAGNUSON. Last year we regularly appropriated $38 million.

General HERSHEY. Approximately $38 million.

Senator MAGNUSON. $37,705,000 and now have an additional amount of $3 million being considered by the House.

General HERSHEY. We are asking for $3 million supplemental.
Senator MAGNUSON. For this year.

General HERSHEY. For this present year, yes, sir.

Senator MAGNUSON. So that makes you $41 million.

General HERSHEY. That is right, and so we are $2 million above that.

Senator MAGNUSON. And you are asking and the budget gave you for fiscal 1965?

General HERSHEY. $43 million.

Senator MAGNUSON. $43 million.
General HERSHEY. $43 million is all.

Senator MAGNUSON. So actually if you get the supplemental and the $43 million

General HERSHEY. No; $43 million is for 1965. If we get the supplemental we are asking for $2 million more than we had last year. Senator MAGNUSON. For fiscal year 1965?

General HERSHEY. That is right.

Senator MAGNUSON. Then the $3 million is for fiscal 1964.
General HERSHEY. For 1964.

Senator MAGNUSON. So you are up $2 million for fiscal 1965.
General HERSHEY. That is right.

Senator ALLOTT. You will have used $40,803,000 for fiscal 1964? General HERSHEY. That is right.

GENERAL STATEMENT

Senator MAGNUSON. Do you have any statement? Do you want to give any statement ?

General HERSHEY. I am going to make a very brief statement. Senator MAGNUSON. Go right ahead.

STATEMENT OF LT. GEN. LEWIS B. HERSHEY

General HERSHEY. I want to point out (1) that this $2 million extra is because we are going to have about 600,000 more 18-year-old registrants this year than we had last year. This is the year that we have the big flood; (2) we have got to pick up the difference between the pay of the civilians last year and the new payroll; and (3) we have got to pick up the difference of about 25 percent of our military pay. Now I want to point out that we prepared this budget last summer, and at that time any of the things we are doing in the referral business on the poverty program was never considered and is not in this budget.

POVERTY ASPECT

Senator ALLOTT. How do you get in on the poverty business?

General HERSHEY. Because the people that they are trying to rehabilitate are the ones that have been rejected and we are the ones who know who has been rejected, where they are, what their names are, what they have been rejected for, and therefore we are the people that have to notify them of the facilities that will or will not be available to them for rehabilitation. Of course, it will put quite a load on our local board clerks, because we have got about 4 million. How many of these they will work on, I don't know.

TOTAL LOCAL BOARDS

Senator MAGNUSON. Let's start right in. How many local boards do you have now?

General HERSHEY. 4,000.

Senator MAGNUSON. 4,000 still. It that the same figure as last year?

Colonel ILIFF. Approximately. We have added a few more.
Senator MAGNUSON. You have added a few more?

Colonel ILIFF. Yes.

General HERSHEY. When they get so big you have to separate.

Senator MAGNUSON. But you still have approximately 4,000 boards? General HERSHEY. That is right.

Senator MAGNUSON. How many of those, for the record, are part time? Mostly all?

Colonel ILIFF. Twenty-nine percent. Over one-fourth of the boards do not operate a full 5-day week.

Senator MAGNUSON. A full 5-day week?

Colonel ILIFF. Yes, sir.

Senator MAGNUSON. And about three-quarters operate, generally speaking you will get the correct figures for the record-operate full

time.

Colonel ILIFF. Yes, sir.

Senator MAGNUSON. Five days a week. And how many people do you support from the Federal payroll in the 4,000 boards?

General HERSHEY. The local board clerks now we are talking about? Senator MAGNUSON. Whatever payroll the Federal Government General HERSHEY. But the extra people work for nothing.

TOTAL BOARD PERSONNEL

Senator MAGNUSON. I understand that. What payroll do we support numberwise?

Colonel ILIFF. It would be about 6,500.

Senator MAGNUSON. About 6,500, so that in some cases you have 2 full-time clerks, in other cases you have a half-time clerk?

General HERSHEY. Yes; and some we will have three or four.
Senator MAGNUSON. Some you have three or four.

General HERSHEY. Los Angeles, San Diego, this is where you have not only high registration but you have a tremendous load of transients. You see California, and so does Florida, has a terrific job handling transients because there are people who go out there, and then apply to be inducted out there and they have to be processed. For instance, my own hometown is not a very big town but we have got a college in it, and the result is our local board catches the handling of a great many college students who are registered other places.

Senator MAGNUSON. I suppose in a town, using this just as an example, a town like Seattle or Denver, you would have two or three boards; wouldn't you?

Colonel ILIFF. Yes: Denver has seven boards.

Senator MAGNUSON. Seattle might have 8 or 10.

General HERSHEY. Yes, sir; they are generally in one place, though. Of course, there it is a little easier to have somebody present, even with one clerk of a board gone, whereas if you get out in my town, she's a 2- or 3-day girl, and when she isn't there she is over at Lagrange.

COST OF PERSONNEL TO GOVERNMENT

Senator MAGNUSON. Now put in the record how much does it cost us to support the 6,500 people?

Colonel ILIFF. In 1964?

Senator MAGNUSON. Yes. It is hard to anticipate. Well, the cost would be the same.

General HERSHEY. This registration business is demanding more local board clerks.

Senator MAGNUSON. What we want to know is what the Federal Government supports.

General HERSHEY. The Federal Government supports all of them.