Senator DONNELL. There is also what is KHUWII as

sentative in each one of these 12 regional offices. Pe the same terminology you would.

Mr. WEBB. Would you like to have Mr. Atkinson Senator DONNELL. I would like to ask you first a Department.

Mr. WEBB. I understand there is a regional dir grade.

Senator DONNELL. Might I interrupt so I unders you understand? The regional director is the man director; he does not travel around. He is not a per vidual at all. Then there is another man, who is res tive, who acts as a traveling representative.

Mr. WEBB. I am not familiar with the exact detail of that. Would you like to ask Mr. Morse those ques erate it. I have men who keep in touch with the answer but I am not familiar with the duties as disti the regional director and the regional representative I know if I were director, I would do some traveli offices in the field to see what they are doing.

Senator DONNELL. There are two men, one the reg another man whom I have termed regional represen what their functions may be.

Mr. WEBB. That is correct.

Senator DONNELL. Have you given consideration, Mr. WEBB. Senator, I am awfully afraid I gave yo Mr. Atkinson says not for the employment service, program, there is a representative of the Federal The regional director is for the United States Emplo

Senator DONNELL. Perhaps I have not made my We were told here this morning-I believe it was might be in error-that the only function carried States Employment Service regional office is the f istering the employment service. That is their onl don't do anything else.

Now, what I am asking you is who, in addition to tor-who, I am informed by your assistant, is paid whether there is another man-a woman or a m vidual-whom I have termed a regional representati

DONNELL. Then the grade 15 man is the $10,000 man. Then ade 14 man. What is his official title, Mr. Clark?

K. Sometimes he is the field service representative, at other employment service representative, or something like that.

DONNELL. A rose is just as sweet under any other name. | That $8,179.50 comes to him at any rate; is that right? K. That is right.

There would be
Either this man

DONNELL. Now, Mr. Webb, have you examined into the to whether this grade 14 man would have to be retained in ere was a merger of functions of the employment service 1 regional offices of the Federal Security Agency? Would e retained, or could his services be dispensed with? K. Some of the staff can be dropped. n the staff when the two are merged. ped or some others of grades below his. 3. I am informed that if the offices were merged under the of Labor there would be one or two of the second-string o could be dropped, thereby saving their salaries. If the t the other way, into the offices of the Federal Security a would be able to drop one of the second-string men and n't be very much difference in savings as to how you did it. DONNELL. I beg your pardon?

3. There would be very little difference in which way it

DONNELL. In other words, if this merger took place, and ment service regional office of the Department of Labor polished, this second-string man or the first-string man; one or the other of the two of them-could be eliminated? -. Or some other person.

DONNELL. Or some other person?

. That is right.

DONNELL. You have not looked into the question as to what ated by the Federal Security Agency or what was contemin the event it would be allowed to operate these two servhaven't looked at what it intended to do with respect to Fices?

. We made our own studies.

in the regional and State offices.

Senator DONNELL. If these 12 offices of the United S ment Service should be abolished, would it be possible to any of these auditors to whom I have referred, who ar say, operating from Washington but are performing the employment service?

Mr. WEBB. I think some of them could be. The num be large because there has been a very close cooperation two bureaus in planning joint programs and in workin getting their work done, so they have made great pros the job as economically and efficiently as they could.

Senator DONNELL. If these 12 regional offices of the Employment Service were abolished, what is your best to how many auditors could be dispensed with after th been effected with the Federal Security Agency?

Mr. WEBB. Could I give you a statement for the re that? I would like to think about that.

Senator DONNELL. I think perhaps it would be well to abbreviate my further examination of you along that gentlemen will be so kind, give us a statement as to j think the effect will be on the expenses outside of Wash event the plan is defeated.

Mr. WEBB. And would you like us to consult also th curity Agency people as to what they contemplate ratl our own analysis?

Senator DONNELL. I think that would be fine. I wa very few more questions along this line, however.

There is also, is there not, a man in connection with t offices of the United States Employment Service who i personnel standards man?

Mr. WEBB. I assume there is. I would like to check Is there such a man? May I go off the record for just a Senator DONNELL. Yes.

(Off-the-record discussion.)

Mr. WEBB. There is such a man in most regional offic all.

Senator DONNELL. Going back to the auditors, what salaries of the auditors?

r DONNELL. And this personnel-standards man, what is hi

EBB. I will have to determine that.

quently Mr. Webb submitted the following:)

annual salary of regional personnel consultants, U. S. Employment Service

r DONNELL. Now the clerical force, independent of these ple I mentioned, that could be dispensed with if the offices ited States Employment Service were abolished and merged 1?

EBB. We think there would be a little saving with respect people. Just how much there would be in getting these people and getting a working relationship, probably the savings ne 6 months or a year after you do it, rather than say we would ngs the first day we did this.

r DONNELL. That would be a year or 18 months after the war s that right?

EBB. Yes, sir.

r DONNELL. In this statement you are going to prepare, would se indicate what you think, what your best judgment is as mpartive expense of operating these two functions, unemcompensation and employment service, first if they are opy putting the combination into the Labor Department; seche event they were combined in the Federal Security Agency, we would not have before us solely this figure of $50,000, or t, as resulting in the combination of them here in Washingidn't mean that-so that we wouldn't have solely the figure 0 savings in Washington before us, but so we would have the ture for the entire United States, of the savings which would

Senator DONNELL. I don't think we need the utmost we want to get is the accurate picture, broken down as tically you can by Monday next week, if you could.

(Subsequently Mr. Webb submitted the following:)

In any statement of comparative expenditures by the United ment Service and the Bureau of Employment Security, consid given to the fact that certain functions are performed at different tion by the two agencies.

For instance, the Federal Security Agency has personnel cons regional offices and the USES in only four. The USES stations Washington and the Federal Security Agency at the regional

After consultation with both agencies, at which time-there w the general plans under which each would operate, the followi potential savings under consolidation have been determined by tion. These estimates contemplate no lessening of the servic the States:

I. Under Reorganization Plan No. 1 of 1948, Consolidation in of Labor:

(a) At the departmental level, $70,000.

This would result from the integration of all activities relating the granting of funds, and of certain administrative and staff have a common purpose, such as field operation, research and administrative services. Some change in method of operation plated. This estimate is a net figure and funds have been prov immediate office of the Commissioner of Employment as conte plan.

(b) At the field level, $180,000.

These savings can be achieved through joint use of existing f two bureaus. Since the Department of Labor has no predete structure, some adjustments of regional patterns will be possi staff will be composed of working technicians with no super above them.

II. Consolidation in the Federal Security Agency: (a) At the departmental level, $91,000.

This saving would result from integration of the State budge process and the consolidation of certain common services, and saving in personnel consultants which will be possible beca Security Agency already has complete regional coverage in th (b) At the field level, $155,000.

This saving would result from the joint use of existing field auditors; the absorption of certain space and other overhe regional level.

Although the two estimates are arrived at by a separate se arising from the differing methods of operation in the two as parent that the resulting economies under either arrangement far apart.

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