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He desired to go into an examination of the matter, He (Mr. P.) had hoped that, when a matter of this and if, as the Senator from Tennessee (Mr. GRUNDY] | kind was brought before the Senate, it would not be desires it to appear, it should be seen that there had only characterized as an ebullition of party feeling, but would been negligence, and not malieasance in the Departo meet with the unanimous opinion of ihe Senate, and that ment, he, for one, should be happy to adopt such a con- this unanimous expression would have induced the Presi. clusion. What might be the construction of the Senator dent to exercise his high power in the purification of from Missouri, as to the limited legislative powers of this this Department of the Government. He (Mr. P.) body, had nothing to do with the question. Had they wished it and expected it. Gentlemen misapprehended failed in an expression of their judgment?
him if they supposed he intended to throw any censure As to the gentlemen on the other side, had they not on the Foxecutive, when he made allusion to the high prevoted for such a resolution precisely as he had called for? rogative claimed by the President. He (Mr. P.) disThe Senate, at the last session, decided unanimously that claimed any such intention. He did, however, disagree the borrowing of money, by the Postmaster General, was with the President entirely on the right he bad asserted unconstitutional and contrary to law. He (Mr. H.) was to the Senate. He would not put his trust in any indidisposed then to think that there had been malfeasance vidual in this community. He would never, by his vote, in the Department. Now, what was the resolution whether with open or closed doors, sanction such extrawhich the committee then offered relative to the Post | ordinary executive powers as were claimed by the Chief Office? (Mr. P. here read the resolution of last session.] Magistrate. There were gentlemen who differed from And this appeared to have passed by a unanimous vote, him widely in this respect; but he (Mr. P.) felt comand every name was put upon the yeas and nays, the pelled to take issue with the President as to his claim Senator from Missouri (Mr. BENTON] standing at the for power, when he proclaimed to the Senate that it bead of the list.
belonged to his department of the Government to superWas there, he would ask, any thing extraordinary in vise all the other executive departments, and that all his course, or any thing which demanded a connexion the executive powers were in his hands. He (Mr. P.) of this matter with the resolution of the Senator from denied that they were. But was it not natural and absoMissouri? The honorable Senator had given him his lutely necessary, that he should desire that the Senate authority for calling for a similar resolution now, by his should again reiterate to the President of the United course on a former occasion, precisely under the like states their deep sense of the injuries resulting to the circumstances. If he (Mr, P.) went a step further, and country from this state of things? All we could do was exercised the constitutional right of this body to censure to illuminate the people—we could only expose the evils; public officers when guilty of misdemeanors, could he we were powerless; it was for the people to act. (Mr. P.) then desire any thing more to sustain him in
If there were errore, and it could not be doubted there his purpose than the resolution which he had just read? were, they ought to be corrected. When evils existed, in which the Senator from Missouri, by his vote, cen: they ought to be exposed to view. The Senate, then, sured the Department in strong terms, and declared must interfere in some way or other to correct them. that its acts had been illegal and void! In which the Now, he was satisfied there was not a single gentleman Benator himself had selected the head of the Depart. present (not taking into account the coloring which had ment, individuated him, and declared his conduct to be been given to the transaction) but what must admit there unlawful, and his acts void! He was therefore sustained had been malfeasance in the Department. If there was by the honorable Senator, and by none more strongly. any individual there to whom these frauds and cor
Now, the gentleman, looking at his conduct on that ruption were chargeable, let him be brought out and occasion, could not differ with him (Mr. P.) on the pres. held up to the community as a branded criminal. He ent: it was impossible that he could do otherwise than (Mr. P.) thought, if the resolution could be unanisupport such a resolution relative to the Department, as
mously passed, marking the mal-administration of the of. lie (Mr. P.) desired to see.
fice with the censure which it merited, that a corrective There bad been a mal-administration of the office; a would be applied by the President--that a general gross, wrong, and palpable mismanagement of it. Great “clearing out” would be the consequence. blame rested somewhere. The honorable gentleman Now, it was said that this was a “party question.”. A from Missouri had declared, last year, that it rested on party question! They all knew the effect of an applicathe head of the Department. He (Mr. P.) should be tion of this term. The honorable Senator from Missouri, glad to screen that officer, and not to hold him up to and those who acted with him, were under the persuasion public vengeance; and it ought not to be imputed to that the Senate had indulged in party feeling when they him that he sought to denounce bim, because he wished passed the resolution, which was considered by some to see a different state of things from that which had gentlemen very obnoxious—that it had done an act which, been presented. But he desired to have some general in their opinion, should be burnt out of the records of this expression of the Senate in regard to the Post Office. body, for the purpose of their expurgation. And he went on the broad and general principle, that He would not pause to look into the policy of such an the committee, having perfected a most laborious inves- act as expunging matters of record from the journals of tigation into its affairs, it was due to them, to this body, the Senaie, whenever, in the changes of parties, the acts and to the people, who ought to be enlightened on this of one party became odious to another. 'Nor would he important transaction, that there should be an expression
even pause to inquire as to the difference in degree beof opinion made by the Senate. It was due to the Chief tween the heads of the Government and a mere subalExecutive of the United States that he should be inform- tern, with the feeling, that ed, having the power to make an investigation and to correct the present state of things in the Post Office Depart
"A saint in crape is twice a saint in lawn.” ment; and, therefore, he (Mr. P.) had come to the con. He indulged only those feelings which ought to actuale clusion, in which he thought all would concur, that a res- all honorable bosoms when he asserted that there ought olution ought to be passed by the Senate. It had pro- to be an expression of the opinion of the Senate on these duced in his bosom a feeling of sincere regret, when the atrocious malversations. resolution of the last session was unanimously adopted, It was true, he might have stated yesterday what might that the President had not thought proper to exercise be deemed unpalatable to some of the gentlemen with his high constitutional prerogative, in the application of whom he acted but he must repeat; that we were an effectual remedy for these evils.
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ed were not yet a minority, but it was not to be concealed occasion to renew that notice. Although the resolutions that the time was near when they would be, and when of last session, to which he now referred, were adopted they, who now carried their measures, would be the in the dark, there was then no darkness on his mental weaker party. He would ask them, would it be fair and vision. He plainly saw at the time, that two hooks proper that every thing which they done which was were thrown out, in order to hang those of his party who disagreeable to the other side should be expunged from did not agree with the majority of the Senate. If we the records? Now he put this question, standing as he voted, said Mr. B., one way, they were to have us on did in the majority. In his confidence in the intelligence one hook, and if we voted another way, we were to be of the people, he reposed his hopes. He believed that caught on the other hook. Such, it seemed, was to be the party collisions of the day would pass away and the case now. A book is thrown out, described on that leave no trace behind, and that this Government would foor, to be black and deep as hell, (and which a certain not pass away, but that it would live long in the admira. party, with whom he acted, could not help applying to tion of the universe.
ihemselves,) by which the Senator from South Carolina Casting his eyes through the long vista before him, he thought he could apply a test, to find out those who could bardly conjecture the period when the principles would dare to defend the deep and black damnation of he asserted, and the men with whom he had acted, were that Post Office. The Senator had no right to preto be seated in power. Not less was he disposed to con. sume, after hearing the report of the minority, that tinue firm to these principles and coadjutors. He would there were any on that floor who could be detected as struggle with them to the last, because he could never the defenders of the corruptions he had denounced. He consent to relinquish the conviction that "great is truth should give his vote, under his obligations as a Senator, and the truth would prevail."
without permitting himself to be considered in any such Party feeling! What was to be gained by indulging light. party feeling on this occasion? What would avail his He voted at the last session on a resolution which he denunciation of the Post Office! Would it shake those then held to be unconstitutional; but he voted under his who conduct the administration of the Government? Did obligations as a Senator, and should continue so to vote, any one expect that such power as was now held by the though he might protest against the unconstitutionality administration was to be shaken by these means? Could of his being required to do so, unless excused by the even such a damning exposure as this shake the popular Senate. There were ten or twelve resolutions presentopinion as to the present administration?
ed, on which he should have voted, some “ay," and If there were other gentlemen who were so sanguine “no," and in order to qualify himself to do so, as to believe that an exposition of the rottenness which (though it might seem extraordinary to the Senate,) he lay here in the administration could shake the magnifi. i had gone over a document of four or five hundred pages, cent structure of popularity on which the present Exec- between their adjournment in the evening and their utive stands, he, at least, was not so sanguine in bis ex. meeting next morning. He was ready, at the last sespectations. They were ardent spirits she was not one sion, to have voted on these ten or twelve resolutions; of those) who entertained the opinion that this affair of but it was because he did not intend to be hung on the the Post Office would shake, in the slighest degree, the hooks again, that he had given his notice of yesterday. present power of the administration.
His notice, he repeated, was not given for the purpose He did not believe, though he might be considered of retaliation, nor for the purpose of intimidating him extravagant in the assertion, that, if the present admin- who could not be intimidated; but for the purpose of istration were to adopt a course which would lead to preventing any thing like judicial proceedings in that corruptions of ten times deeper dye, it could shake body, without the formality of an impeachment by the its popularity. When it was presented to the people by House of Representatives. Such was his sole intention, the honorable member from Tennessee, as an admitted and he again expressed his regret at that poverty of and naked fact, that one contractor had obtained ideas, and obscurity of language, which prevented him $100,000 which was unaccounted for, and another from being so understood by those who sat near him. $12,000, without having made any returns at all; that He had only intended, in what he said yesterday, to give the flood-gates of that Department were hoisted up, and notice that, before any judicial proceedings were had in all that put themselves in the way should receive some that body, without the previous sanction of the House of of the droppings of the manna--if any thing could, that Representatives, there should be heard at least one argumight shake the popularity of the administration. He ment on their constitutionality. must be permitted to hope that a resolution on the sub- On one more point he wished to be understood before ject would be offered by the Senate, and he should find he sat down. He was not to be supposed as sanctioning great pleasure in voting with the honorable Senator any thing. He did not sanction; he would not be unfrom Missouri, for a general expression of its opinion in derstood by implication, or by the new aspect given to the regard to those matters. And he trusted, as a precedent case by the Senator from South Carolina, as sanctioning had been found, a similar resolution having already been any thing, of which, it was well known, he disapproved. acted on, that this would share the same fate--be passed No: let the resolutions called for from the Committee on unanimously,
the Post Office, and the proposition he would submit, to Mr. BENTON expressed the deepest regret that such expunge the resolutions of the last session, come propwas the extreme poverty of his speech, such the poor-erly before the Senate, and he would give his votes on ness of his ideas, as to render bim incomprehensible to them according to the best dictates of his own judgment. to those who sat near him; and if his language was so Again, he would be understood, on one other point, and obscure as not to be comprehended by those near him, that was, that, in all the situations in which he might be it might well be supposed so to those in a distant part placed, and under all circumstances, he had but one of the chamber. Now, in all he had said yesterday and standard by which to measure both the Post Office and to-day, there was no intimatian of an intention to retali- the Bank of the United States. ate, nor one word of intimidation. When he saw, or Mr. PRESTON said, if the honorable Senator supthought he saw, an attempt made to bring the Senate posed, for a moment, that he intended to throw out two to the action it had been brought to on a former occa- hooks to catch him upon, he was entirely mistaken. He sion, (and having at the last session given notice of his had not creamt of such a thing. If the gentleman was intention to move that certain resolutions be expurgated to be hung, he had not prepared a hook for that purfrom the jou: nal,) he saw, or thought that he saw, a fit pose. He had merely in view, in the observations he SENATE.)
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had made, the Post Office affair, which had filled bis reality of the condition to which our country is reduced. mind with the deepest sensations, and his heart with the I hope they will make no delay; let them hasten in their most melancholy forebodings. He would repeat that, course; let them lose no time in their effort to expunge in what he bad said, he entertained not the most remote the Senate, and dissolve the system of Government and intention of creating the slightest embarrassment to the constitution. Yes, I entreat them to push their deliberate Senator from Missouri.
purpose to a resolve. They have now given origin to Mr. CALHOUN moved that the resolution be laid a question than which none perhaps is, in its effects upon the table, to give the Senator from Alabama (Mr. and tendencies, of deeper and more radical importance; King) an opportunity to prepare a resolution to accom- it is a question more important than that of the bank, or plish the meditated purpose of rescinding the former than that of the Post Office, and I am exceedingly anx. resolutions of the Senate. I confess, sir, (observed ious to see how far they will carry out the doctrine they Mr. C.,) I feel some curiosity to see how the Senator have advanced; a doctrine as enslaving and as despotic from Alabama will reconcile such a proceeding wiib the as any that is maintained by the autocrat of all the free and independent existence of a Senate. i feel, sir, Russias. To give them an opportunity, I move to lay a great curiosity to hear how that gentleman proposes the resolutions on the table, and I promise them that, that the journals are to be kept, if such a procedure is when they move their resolution, I will be ready to take allowed to take effect. I should like to know how he it up. proposes to repeal a journal. By what strange process Mr. CLAY said that the proposition to receive the reshe would destroy facts, and annihilate events and things olutions was a preliminary one, and was the question which are now the depositories of history. When he to which he had at first invited the attention of the Sen. shall have satisfied my curiosity on this particular, then ate. The debate, certainly, had been very irregular, there is another thing I am anxious to be informed upon, and not strictly in order. He had contended, from the and that is, what form, what strange and new plan of first, for the purpose of avoiding an interference with a proceeding, will he suggest for the adoption of the Sen. debate on another subject, that the subject of the Alaate! I will tell him: I will show him the only resource bama resolutions should not be agitated at that time. that is left, the point to which he necessarily comes, The Senator from Alabama having refused to withdraw and that is this: he will be obliged to declare, in his these resolutions, he was compelled to a course which resolution, that the principle upon which the Senate would, in all probability, lead to a protracted debate. acted was not correct; that it was a false and erroneous Mr. CLAY tben submitted the following: principle. And let me ask what was that principle, Resolved, That the resolutions of the Legislature of which now, it seems, is to be destroyed! The principle Alabama, presented by the Senator from that State, on which the Senate acted, the principle which that ought not to be acted upon by the Senate, inasmuch as gentleman engages to overthrow, is this: “ we have a they are not addressed to the Senate, nor contain any right to express our opinion.” He will be compelled request that they be laid before the Senate; and inastv deny that; or, perhaps, he may take refuge from such much, also, as that which those resolutions direct should a predicament by qualifying his subversion of this first be done, cannot be done without violating the constituprinciple of legislative freedom. And how will he tion of the United States. qualify the denial of this principle? that is, how will he Mr. CALHOUN here moved to lay the resolutions on deny it, and yet apparently maintain it? He has only the table, which motion took precedence of Mr. Clar's, one resource left, and that is, to pretend that we have a and was not debatable. He withdrew it, however, at right to express our opinions, but not of the President. the request of Mr. Clayton. This is the end and aim; yes, this is the inevitable conse- Mr. CLAYTON said it had been painful to some, to quence and result of such an extraordinary, such a witness as be had, while these reports on the condition monstrous procedure.
of the Post Office were read at the Secretary's table, So, then, it is come to this, that the Senate has no the deep- the indelible disgrace of the administration right to express its opinion in relation to the Executive and its office-hunting emissaries. But he chose not to A distinction is now set up between the President and repress the expression of his triumph over the calumnies all other officers, and the gentleman is prepared with a of the pensioned press in the pay of this corrupt Departresolution to give effect and energy to the distinction; ment, which had in times bygone endeavored to injure and now, for the first time that such a doctrine bas ever him for the part he bad performed in dragging these been heard on the American soil, he is prepared to pro. mercenaries before the public. I offered (said Mr. C.) fess and publisb, in the face of the American people, the first resolution of inquiry into the concerns of this that old and worn out dogma of old and worn out na- Department, on the 14th of December, 1830. Never, tions," the King can do no wrong!" that his officers, sir, shall I forget the high-sounding phrases then used his ministers, are alone responsible; that we shall be by certain gentlemen on this floor, while they labored permitted perhaps to utter our opinions of them; but a to exbaust the whole vocabulary of euloguim on this unanimous opinion expressed by the Senate, in relation miserable Department. Never, never, sir, can I forget to the President himself, is no longer suffered to exist, the slanders and falsehoods then propagated by the is no longer permitted to be given; it must be expunged Post Office newspapers, which exhausted the vials of from the journals.
political wrath on me, as tbe author of the original in. I confess I am agitated with an intense curiosity: 1 | quiry into the frauds of those who fed them, and on my wish to see with what ingenuity of artful disguise the old friend from Maine, (Mr. Holmes,) now no longer a Senate is to be reduced to the dumb legislation of Bo. member of this body. He was in that day, when the naparte's Senate. This very question brings on the reign of terror had fully opened upon us, the only man issue. This very proposition of expunging our resolu- on the committee of 1830 who stood by me in the fruittions is the question in which the expunging of our less effort we made to expose these frauds and to prelegislative freedom and independence is to be agitated. vent their repetition. He shared with me the full meas. I confess I long to see the strange extremities to which ure of the vengeance of those who sought to conceal the gentleman will come. It is a question of the utmost from the public gaze this fountain from the which their magnitude; I am anxious to see it brought on; two Sena. current ran, and he will now share with me the tardy tors (Messrs. Benton, and King of Alabama) have justice which even our strongest political adversaries pledged themselves to bring it forward. They cannot have been compelled this day to award us, by their redo it too soon—they cannot too soou expose the horrible ! luctant admissions that all we said, was not only truly
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said, but that the depth of this corruption, which we tain proceedings of its Legislature were publicly burnt. alone then ventured to denounce, was greater than our Need he refer them to the case of Wilkes? where the strongest language had described it.
British House of Commons expunged certain proceedAmong the things of that day with which memory now ings from their journal; expunged, not by the childish supplies me, sir, was a speech of the honorable mem operation of sending out for every copy of the journal ber from Missouri, (Mr. Benton,) which was delivered for the purpose of cutting out a leaf, but by a more efimmediately after I had (some time in February, 1831,) fectual process. He would describe the modus operandi. addressed the Senate on this very subject. He then there was a total suspension of the business of the defended this Department, denounced the inquiry in House, and the clerk, taking the official journal, the which we were engaged, and urged a Senator from original record of its proceedings, and reading the clause Louisiana, our present minister to France, to play Cato to be expunged, obliterated it, word after word, not by in the American Senate, take upon himself the task of making a Saint Andrew's cross over the clause, as is censor morum, and move to expunge from the journal sometimes done in old accounts, but by completely blotthe whole proceedings of the investigating committee. ting out every letter. That, sir, was the origin in this body of this business of Sir, said Mr. B., there is no system of tactics which Expunging from the journal. Now how changed is the can divert me from my course with regard to these procourse of the honorable member! He has just assured ceedings of the last session referred to in the Alabama us that he had but one measure for the Post Office and the resolutions. He should move upon them with the cerBank of the United States, which he boasts has been put tainty of a steam engine, and no system of tactics could down. He can now see the corruption of the Post Office prevent him from pursuing the course pointed out in Department as clearly as we can, and feel it as deeply. the notice he had given yesterday. What be then said Yet if, when he suggested it, the journal of the first pro- was in reference to the Senator from South Carolina ceedings on the Post Office had been expunged, and the who sat nearest him, (Mr. Calhoun,) and in the reSenate bad thus degraded the investigation, not a syllable marks he made afterwards he would now explain that of these monstrous developments of fraud and falsehood he ought not to have left out his colleague, (Mr. Presin the officers of this Government would ever have been ton.] The gentleman to wbom he referred looked to a made. Still the member, as ardent against the resolation judicial procedure on that floor, and applied a test by of the 27th of March last as he ever was against the Post which he could see what Senator would rise in his place Office inquiry, threatens us again with the expunging pro- and defend the enormous corruptions of the Post Office cess. He will not learn from the past to defer in the slight Department. It was to this he referred, and this had est degree to the judgment of others; and now, to carry occasioned the notice he had given, with the remarks out a party triumph, he will himself assume the task of the which had accompanied it. censor, and detace our records, to disgrace the very body
Mr. CALHOUN denied that he was actuated by the of which he is a member. May my eyes never witness motives or feelings attributed to him by the Senator from such an act of self-degradation as that with which he | Missouri. He had but one simple object in view, and it threatens us. If attempted, it will make its authors was this: that he thought it due to the American peosupremely ridiculous. The memory of the fact that our ple, in consequence of the extraordinary disclosures resolution was passed will still live, and while thousands which had been made yesterday, in the voluminous reof printed copies of the journal are scattered thoughout ports in relation to the Post Office Department, and the land which will remain untouched, the mutilation of which not one man in a hundred had leisure to read, that the wretched scroll in the Secretary's office, like the
this body ought to give their sentiments on it, in order vengeance of the savage on the dead carcass of his to show that they had still some independence left; and enemy, will only attest the imbecility and the folly of its that the vote ought to be a unanimous one, so that the authors.
citizens of this country would be then enabled rightly to Mr. BENTON observed that, if the Senator from judge what was the real condition of that Department of Delaware had pursued his narrative a little farther, he the Government. He regretted to say that it was susshould not have found it necessary again to get on his
tained by the Chief Executive. The Senator from Misfeet. The objection that he made to the resolutions of souri had said he would have the same measure for the that gentleman war, that they were either a criminal in. Post Office and the bank. He had succeeded in enlistquiry into the officers of the Post Office Department, ing the President against the bank; he would do well or into that of the Postmaster himself. He object. now to enlist bim against the Post Office. The respon. ed on the ground that the charges contained in these sibility of the Post Office was with the President; and resolutions were proper subjects for impeachment by the that of the bank with Congress. The President interHouse of Representatives, the grand inquest of the na. fered between Senators and their duty, and he had done tion. Now, as to whether he had two measures, one nothing in a most atrocious case towards arresting evils, for the Post Office and the other for the Bank of the where he might, had he been disposed to exercise the United States, let it be recollected that, during the eight power which he claimed, of supervision over all the deyears he had been lifting up his voice against the latter partments of the Government. Mr. C. moved to lay institution, he had never had a committee to investigate the resolution on the table. charges against it. There were periods of that time The motion was agreed to. when a committee could not have been granted him for Mr. CLAY gave notice that he should prepare a resosuch purpose, even on parliamentary principles. He lution on this subject. had never asked for a committee, because the House of Mr. KING, of Alabama, moved that the resolutions Representatives, as the grand inquest of the nation, was
be printed. the only impeaching power known to the constitution. Mr. ÇALHOUN said he hoped they would not be Such was the reason why he had never asked for a com- printed. mittee, and never would, till driven to it by the course of Mr. KING, of Alabama, in reply, said that when the the Senate. An objection had been raised to the reso- proper time arrived and he should use his own time on lutions of Alabama by the Senator from South Carolina his own responsibility-he would bring forward the reg. and the Senator from Delaware, to which he would olution, of which the Senator from Missouri had given briefly reply. Need he refer those gentlemen to the notice, if not prevented by the previous action of that course of their own reading? he would refer them to the gentleman. He had no doubt of the power of the Sencase in a State contiguous to South Carolina, where cer. ate lo repeal any resolution it had adopted. What! re
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peal facts? asked the Senator from South Carolina. He fit could accrue to him or his. And be would ask, did would ask that gentleman if they had i: not in their the gentleman think him so humble an individual that power to retrace their steps when they have done he would associate himself in any form distinct from his wrong? If they had it not in their power to correct their principles, there or elsewhere? The Senator knew him own journal when asserting what was not true? The tou well he knew better. If that was the gentleman's democratic Party of the country had spoken, pronounced meaning of “party," he had done him (Mr. C.) great judgment upon the facts stated in that journal. They injustice--an injustice which he could scarcely overhad declared that these facts were not true; that the
look. If the Senator meant, by “party,” that his condemnation pronounced against the Chief Magistrate (Mr. C's) lips were to be closed, sealed there, then he for having violated the constitution of the United States,
was wrong in doing so, although he might think the was not true, and it was high time that it was stricken
Chief Magistrate's conduct censurable. He denied that from the journal it disgraced. He had hoped, with the
he was a party man. Senator from South Carolina, (Mr. Calhoun,] that they He was in that Senate will reluctance. He came should have but little more to do with party politics; there from the State which gave him birth, though he but, after what he had heard from that gen:leman certainly did not desire it, and had been elected to his yesterday and to-day, he did not now expect to see him seat almost unanimously. It was a burden to him, befreed from party spirit. Did that gentleman venture to
cause imposed upon him. The honorable Senator then pronounce upon the conduct of the Legislature of Ala
declared that, so long as he saw corruption, he cared bama, when he asked how these resolutions had been
not what quarter it came from, he would expose gotten up!. The resolutions, he would reply, were got it. This was a most extraordinary state of things to up in a spirit which he trusted would ever prevail among exist in a free country. Such an exposure was calcu. the democracy of the country. He did not expect, at lated to disgrace it to a great extent. His colleague and the time he presented these resolutions, that they would himself both entertained the opinion that this important have caused this debate. He had not come there pre: subject ought to be brought most fully before the pared for any discussion, though other gentlemen might people, and in such a form as would put them in poshave come prepared in consequence of the debate of
session of the opinions of that body as to the character yesterday. What was witnessed then! Why, the read.
of the report. What was the condition of things, as ing of the reports of the Post Office Committee was
regarded political matters? There were some who hardly over, and before gentlemen could possibly under lived entirely with or stuck to one party, right or wrong; stand them, than they entered at once into the debate, and
who supported those who acted with or against the denounced the Chief Magistrate, the Postmaster General, constitution, for or against the liberties of the country. and the officers of the Post Office Department, with a rapidity and zeal little compatible with justice, or the choose their party.
It belonged to them (he meant not to be personal) to proper discharge of legislative business. The President
He had abandoned party voluntarily, freely; and he had been highly censured for not dismissing officers
would tell every Senator-for he was constrained to charged with highly criminal conduct, before he could speak of himself, and therefore lie should speak boldlypossibly have any opportunity of seeing the testimony he would not turn upon his heel for the administration against them. Let the Chief Magistrate have an op
of the affairs of this Government. He believed that such portunity of examining the charges against these officers,
was the hold which corruption bad obtained in this Gortogether with the testimony by which they were sup- ernment, that any man who should undertake to reform ported, and he (Mr. K.) ventured to assert that, if they it would not be sustained. should be found guilty of criminal conduct, they would He believed that a deep political disorder existed, not be promptly punished either by dismissal or otherwise only in the Post Office, but in the Land, Indian, and
Mr. CALHOUN observed that the Senator from Ala- other Departments of the Government, to a greater or hama having made some personal allusions to him, he less extent, and which were not to be cured by the presfelt bound to notice them, although not at all disposed idential election. He would say boldly, in his place to intrude upon the patience of the Senate.
there, that the time had arrived when reformation or The Senator had said that he (Mr. C.) was truly con- revolution must go on. nected with party. Now, if by "party" the gentleman He stood there as one of the representatives of the meant that he was enlisted in any political scheme, that state of South Carolina, or rather as her delegate, for he desired to promote the success of any party, or was
important objects; and, so long as he continued to have anxious to see any particular man elevated to the Chief the honor of a seat on that floor, he would do his duty. Magistracy, he did him great injustice. It was a long | He believed the affairs of this country to be in a despetime since he (Mr. C.) had taken any active part in the rate condition, and that it behooved every man to lay political affairs of the country. The Senator need only aside party feeling, and with heart and soul exert bimio have looked back to his vote for the last eight years self to arrest the growing evils. If he had said any to have been satisfied that he (Mr. C.) had voluntarily thing which appeared to be personal to the honorable put himself in the very small minority to which he be.
Senator from Alabama, be begged him to accept his apol. longed, and that be had done this to serve the gallant ogy, as he had not intended the sligbtest disrespect to him. and patriotic State of South Carolina. Would the gen.
Mr. SMITH then, with a view to close a discussion tleman say that he did not step forward in defence of which would be more appropriate to another subjeci, South Carolina, in the great and magnanimous stand moved to lay the motion to print on the table. which she took in defence of her rights. Now, he Mr. HILL asked for the ayes and noes; wbich were wished the Senator to understand him, that he had put ordered, and stood as follows: bimself in a minority of at least one to a hundred; that YEAS-- Messrs. Bell, Bibb, Black, Calhoun, Clay, he had incurred a degree of odium, voluntarily, know. Clayton, Ewing, Frelinghuysen, Goldsborough, Hen. ingly, believing it to be his duty to do so, as there was dricks, Kent, Knight, Leigh, Mangum, Naudain, Poin. no other means of arresting this course of executive en. dexter, Porter, Prentiss, Robbins, Silsbee, Smith, Southcroachment. He had made these sacrifices for his State, ard, Swift, Tomlinson, Tyler, Waggaman, Webster--27. and his constituents bad benefited by his course; and Nars--Messrs. Benton, Brown, Buchanan, Cuthbert, yet the gentleman charged him with being actuated by Grundy, Hill, Kane, King of Alabama, King of Georgia, party feeling. He was not. The situation in which he Linn, McKean, Moore, Morris, Preston, Robinson, stood was of his own seeking, and from which no bene- 1 Shepley, Tallmadge, Tipton, White, Wright--20.