1 Total tonnage for the Mississippi is not shown since it would contain duplications, as for example, some tonnage moving the entire length of the waterway would be reported

in all 4 sections of the waterway.

Mr. PRINCE. This exhibit is made up on a density basis. In other words, how many tons per mile will they have on the proposed waterway if the prospective estimated tonnage is realized, compared with the tons per mile or density, on four segments into which the Mississippi River is divided, the Ohio River, the Tennessee River, and the Tombigbee-Warrior. Those are set out for the principal items of traffic which are included in this survey. Those items are shown in the left-hand column.

The first commodity I am afraid you will have to disregard, because this was made up prior to the time we discovered the error which Colonel Feringa spoke of in which the commodity of rice was changed So our figures there are on rice and should not be considered, because we do not know what the proper figures are for corn on the other rivers.

to corn.

But look at some of the other items. Take the movement of flour, for instance. You have a density per mile of 231 tons on the proposed Tombigbee-Tennessee waterway; and if you will look in the third column with respect to each of the segments of the Mississippi and the other rivers you will see the density of that item of traffic on those rivers for the year 1939 on the basis of the annual report of the Army engineers. These figures are taken from their annual report. You have 231 tons per mile on the Tombigbee-Tennessee; on the Mississippi from Baton Rouge to, but not including, New Orleans, 95 tons per mile; mouth of Ohio River to, but not including Baton Rouge, 26 tons per mile; mouth of the Missouri to the mouth of the Ohio River, 95 tons per mile; Minneapolis to mouth of the Missouri River, 13 tons per mile; none on the Ohio River; none on the Tennessee River; 0.4 per mile on the Tombigbee-Warrior.

Senator CVERTON. That is in 1939?

Mr. PRINCE. Yes.

Senator OVERTON. What is the present report based on?

Mr. PRINCE. A large part of their tonnage is based on the waybill study for 1939. So, in that respect I think it is comparable.

Take the item of salt. We have a density on the TombigbeeTennessee of 412 tons per mile. On the various segments of the Mississippi in the order in which I named them before you have densities of 7 tons per mile, 1 ton per mile, 4 tons per mile, .2 of a ton per mile; none on the Ohio, none on the Tennessee, 5 on the Tombigbee-Warrior.

Senator OVERTON. Sugar is the largest item, is it not?

Mr. PRINCE. Yes. You will find only two instances in which the density on any river or segment of the Mississippi is greater than that which it is anticipated will be realized on the Tombigbee-Tennessee, and those two items are sugar, where the density from Baton Rouge to New Orleans is greater, and on cotton between the same two points. Those are the only instances in any of these items of traffic where there is density greater than that which is supposed to be realized on the Tombigbee-Tennessee, and in most instances it does not even approach it. It is many times greater on the Tombigbee-Tennessee than on these other rivers.

We prepared another exhibit dealing more or less with the same point, but it is prepared on an absolute basis so far as the tonnages are concerned. We have marked it "Exhibit 4."

(The document referred to is as follows:)

EXHIBIT 4.-Statement showing principal prospective tonnage for the TombigbeeTennessee waterway project compared with actual tonnage (containing duplications, and with obvious duplications eliminated) of the same items moved on the Mississippi River, Ohio River, Tennessee River, and Tombigbee-Warrior River; showing also mileage of proposed waterway and combined mileage of the other waterways

Mr. PRINCE. That exhibit shows the actual tonnages for the year 1939 of the same commodities on the Mississippi, the Ohio, Tennessee, and Tombigbee-Warrior, both including duplications and eliminating duplications.

I might explain that, because it might be confusing otherwise.

If, for instance, a ton of traffic originated on the Mississippi and was destined to some Tennessee River point it would move over the Mississippi, the Ohio, and the Tennessee and would be counted as a ton of traffic on each of those three rivers and would be included as 3 tons. In the column where it says 'Eliminating duplications" we do not count it simply as 1 ton on the river which originated the traffic.

Now, let us make our comparisons again between the tonnages which would move over the Tennessee-Tombigbee if the estimates of the Army engineers are realized and the tonnages in the year 1939 over 3,699 miles of rivers which are now in operation, and which could move all this traffic if the traffic was suitable and provided the other advantages which would make it move over those waterways. Take the item of flour again. You have 60,000 tons estimated for the Tombigbee-Tennessee, and on all of those rivers combined in the year 1939 only 29,000 tons were hauled.

Take the item of asphalt-123,000 tons is estimated as prospective for the Tennessee-Tombigbee, and only 23,000 tons were hauled over that 3,699 miles of waterway system.

The next is fertilizer. Two hundred and seventy-one thousand tons is the prospective estimated tonnage for the Tombigbee-Tennessee. Over 3,699 miles of waterway in the year 1939 only 90,232 tons moved.

I cannot help but think that when you are faced with that you can only come to the conclusion that in some way they erred in their method of arriving at their estimated traffic. I know that the Army engineers are as sincere in their efforts to arrive at the facts as anyone could be, and I never thought otherwise. I think very highly of them. But if you were faced with these figures and if you had the question before you as a businessman, whether to invest in a commercial project which was dependent upon the realization of this traffic to make it pay, I just do not believe that you could accept it in the face of these figures. It is too fantastic to think that the TennesseeTombigbee would handle this vast quantity of each of these products, whereas the Mississippi, Tennessee, Ohio, Tombigbee, and Warrior combined did not equal the Tombigbee except in one instance. In all of these items there is only one single item on which the traffic exceeded that estimated for the Tombigbee, and that is by 3,000 tons on the item of poles and piling. In every other case the Tombigbee estimate greatly exceeds that for the other rivers combined.

Senator OVERTON. From what source did you get your estimates of tonnages actually moved in 1939?

Mr. PRINCE. From the annual report of the Army engineers, sir. Senator OVERTON. Where did they obtain their figures?

Mr. PRINCE. I do not know that they presented any figures as to the actual movement in 1939. Their figures for the proposed project are an estimate which is based on three things, as I understand it, sir. One was a study of the waybills which were obtained from the railroads by the Board of Investigation and Research.

Senator OVERTON. For what year?

Mr. PRINCE. For the year 1939. It is from those waybills in 1939 that a large portion of this traffic is obtained. Then they sent out questionnaires and had field surveys, and then they had a hearing in Mobile, and in those three ways they obtained estimates of traffic which they thought would move over this waterway.

I want to go into several of the points as to why they have come out with this exaggerated figure.

The next exhibit is a rather voluminous-appearing one, but it is necessary in order to have the full facts before you, although you will not be required to look at all of it.

(The document referred to is as follows:)