are switching to Public Law 86-211 each month and are receiving an increase in pension payment. What experience have you had with people who have elected 86-211 and later find that they receive less because of having elected to go under the new law?

Mr. GLEASON. Mr. Chairman, I really don't know of any.

Mr. TEAGUE of Texas. We have had one case in the committee. Mr. GLEASON. I just don't know of it, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. TEAGUE of Texas. How accurate do you think your projections are on pensions with the social security and the new retirement programs from industry coming in and many factors such as that? Mr. GLEASON. Of course, we believe them to be as accurate as we can possibily make them.

Mr. TEAGUE of Texas. Any questions on pensions?

Mr. KORNEGAY. Mr. Chairman.

Mr. TEAGUE of Texas. Mr. Kornegay.

Mr. KORNEGAY. Mr. Administrator, you have indicated that there is some reluctance on the part of the claimants to switch from the old law to 86-211. I would like to know what, if anything, the Veterans' Administration has done to advise the claimants about the new law and what advantages, if any, there are under the new law.

Mr. GLEASON. We will give it to you in just a minute, Congressman. We sent everyone on the pension rolls a pamphlet explaining the law by direct mail. We issued 15 radio-TV spot announcements carried on 2,700 radio-TV stations. We put out six radio-TV scripts used on 600 stations. We issued 26 national news releases to 1,500 daily and 5,000 weekly newspapers. We provided a five-part question and answer service used by 250 daily newspapers and many weekly newspapers. We furnished seven releases to wire services and syndicates which were used by 780 daily newspapers. We had our field offices issue hundreds of local news releases and make countless radio-TV and public appearances explaining them.

We furnished personnel from the field stations to make trips throughout their States to meet with veterans and civic organizations, to hold mass meetings, and appear on local radio and TV programs, and we made available employees from our Washington office to meet with national, State, and regional groups of major service organization representatives.

Mr. KORNEGAY. It sounds as though you have done quite an extensive job in trying to get across the new law and the points of the new law, but notwithstanding that great amount of publicity, you still have experienced some reluctance, I gather.

Mr. GLEASON. Very definitely, yes, sir.

Mr. KORNEGAY. Have you made any investigation as to what has caused this reluctance on the part of the claimants?

Mr. GLEASON. No, sir.

Mr. KORNEGAY. Do you have any opinions or ideas as to why there remains a reluctance on the part of a substantial portion of the claimants to switch over?

Mr. GLEASON. Nothing that I could state at this time.

Mr. KORNEGAY. Let me just put the question to you in another way. Do you have any evidence that any veterans' groups or other groups throughout the country have done anything to discourage the pensioners from switching over to the new law?

. GLEASON. I wouldn't say that we had evidence, Congressman. e are indications that people may not have been advised properly they sought advice from some veterans' organizations.

r. KORNEGAY. The primary reason that I am asking you that, Administrator, is that I have had conversations with a number of constituents who tell me that they have been advised by certain ps not to switch over, that it would be to their disadvantage to I remember one particularly. I said, "Well, now, I am not g you what to do, but let me just give you facts." And I ined the facts to her this happened to be a widow-and she ched over. She is getting, I think, about $10 or $12 a month now and is very well pleased with the new plan. That is the n I brought the point up.

T. GLEASON. We have also been told that by people, Congressman. o what might be classified as evidence is difficult to obtain. T. KORNEGAY. I understand that. Thank you.

ank you, Mr. Chairman.

r. TEAGUE of Texas. Mr. Edwards?

r. EDWARDS. No questions, Mr. Chairman. r. TEAGUE of Texas. Mr. Marsh?

r. MARSH. No questions.

r. TEAGUE of Texas. Mr. Fino.

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FINO. Mr. Gleason, getting back to the chart on the last page e projected cost of the three bills, in the first year under the three you have $780 million, $1 billion, and $1.3 billion. These figures based on a veteran population of how many?

r. GLEASON. These are based on the projected figures of the vetI population as of the first year, the second, third, all the way ugh, Congressman.

Ir. FINO. We have a veteran population of what, 22 million or 23 ion?

Ir. GLEASON. Yes, sir, but Congressman, in H.R. 33 and H.R. 2, we are just concerned with World War I veterans. H.R. 1927 siders the approximately 22 million veterans.

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Ir. FINO. You are projecting these costs into the year 2000, which years from now.

Ir. GLEASON. Yes, but, Congressman, what I am trying to point is in the first column under H.R. 1927 we are considering 22 million rans; in the other 2 columns, approximately 21⁄2 million down to be 2 million.

Ir. FINO. You are taking into consideration the loss in the veteran ulation?

Ir. GLEASON. That is correct, year by year. May I insert for the ord, Mr. Chairman, the "Research Monograph No. 6 of the VetPopulation Projections, 1962 to the Year 2040"?

Ir. TEAGUE of Texas. Without objection.

Research Monograph No. 6 follows:)

VETERAN POPULATION PROJECTIONS, 1962-2040

FOREWORD

is research monograph is the sixth in a series devoted to basic data about veterans in civil life, making such data available to program administrators, ey officials, veterans' organizations, research technicians, and the general C. It presents estimates of the future size and age of the war veteran populaas well as of veteran_mortality. It is from this population, the men and en who served in the U.S. Armed Forces during a war period, and their deent survivors, that the beneficiaries of VA and other Federal programs for erans" will come. Barring future wars and the resultant increase in the an population, or the extension of veteran benefits to persons who served in Armed Forces since the Korean conflict, this population is now well defined. Le first post-World War II veteran population projections were prepared in covering World War II veterans to the year 2030. In 1954, these projections revised to include veterans of the Civil War, Spanish-American War, and d War I, by age, to the year 2000. They were prepared for the President's mission on Veterans Pensions and were published in "Staff Report No. II: rans Benefits Administered by Departments and Agencies of the Federal ernment," U.S. Government Printing Office, Washington, 1955. In 1957, a r revision of the projections included the Korean conflict veterans for the time. In addition to these regular projections, special estimates of specified veterans for selected years have been developed from time to time for use in nistrative projects.

e estimates in this monograph replace all earlier projections. They are on the most recent U.S. mortality data and on assumptions concerning e mortality trends that are employed in the official population projections ared by the Bureau of the Census. The period covered has been extended e year 2040, when about 1,000 of the present 22.2 million war veterans in life and 1.1 million in the Armed Forces will still be living. Included are ctions of female war veterans, of whom there are now 417,000. ng-range projections of the war veteran population, by period of service, and sex (and of war veteran deaths), serve several purposes. First, they the size and composition of the veteran population at future dates. Second, provide a basis for the appraisal of long-term trends in beneficiary loads his inherent in planning and administering programs effectively. Third, the ates of deaths afford a basis for related studies of survivors of veterans, i.e., widows and orphans.

e estimates in this monograph clearly outline the magnitude of the changes e veteran population in the years ahead. These and the complex socioomic changes which will occur at the same time will create problems and rtunities in administering to the needs of veterans and of their widows and

ans.

arry Hoffner and Millard Klein did the technical planning for the developof the projections and prepared this monograph. Holly Cavanaugh, John erd, Pauline Schrager, Frank Van Buskirk, and Hollida Wakefield assisted rious phases of the project.

MILTON C. FORSTER, Director, Research Statistics Service.

HIGHLIGHTS

1961, of every 10 war veterans in civil life, 1 had served in World War I, 7 in d War II, and 2 in the Korean conflict. In 2000, three of every five veterans De World War II veterans; the other two will be Korean conflict veterans. at of every 10 veterans now living there will be 8 surviving in 1980; 4 will be in 2000; and 1 will be living in 2015.

1980, one out of every five now living World War I veterans will still be alive. 000, only about 2,000 out of the more than 2.5 million now living will be alive. the end of this century, one out of three World War II, and about three out ur Korean conflict veterans, will still be living.

wer the next 15 years-to 1975-an estimated 3.9 million veterans will die. ne next similar period-1976 to 1990-there will be almost 6 million veteran hs. Between 1991 and 2005, over 7.6 million veteran deaths will occur, and e will be over 5.2 million deaths of veterans between 2006 and 2020. Of the 000 veterans still alive in 2020, only 10,000 will survive to 2035.