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APRIL 15, 1968. Dr. EDWARD WENK, Jr., Executive Secretary, National Council on Marine Resources and Engineering

Development, Executive Office Building, Washington, D.C. DEAR ED: As you probably know, I appeared for Mr. Ripley on April 10 before the Oceanography Subcommittee of the Committee on Merchant Marine and Fisheries to give testimony on HR 11584 proposing the establishment of marine sanctuaries. During my discourse, Congressman Alton Lennon, Chairman of the Subcommittee posed several questions to me regarding the interests of the NCMRED and the National Commission in developing plans for the establishment of marine sanctuaries. I told him quite candidly that although I was aware that this topic had been discussed among the members of the NCMRED on several occasions, I did not know whether Marine sanctuaries was an action item for consideration. Congressman Lennon then expressed his desire to have me communicate with you and to transmit the interest of the subcommittee in learning the status of this topic in the Council.

As you see, once again the Smithsonian Institution is playing its traditional role of "honest broker” and is pleased to acquiese to the Chairman's request to present the inquiry to you. Kindest personal regards. Sincerely yours,

SIDNEY R. GALLER,

Assistant Secretary (Science). Mr. LENNON. Thank you very much, gentlemen. Now may we go off the record for a moment. (Off the record.) Mr. LENNON. We thank you for your attendance. Dr. GALLER. Thank you very much.

Mr. LENNON. Our friend and very able colleague of this committee, the Honorable Richard T. Hanna, will be our next witness.

STATEMENT OF HON. RICHARDT. HANNA, A REPRESENTATIVE IN

CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA Mr. HANNA. I appreciate the opportunity to be heard on the subject matter contained in H.R. 11584 and companion bills. Although I am generally in support of the studies indicated and proposed I am concerned in both the timing and the implication of isolation I read into this approach at this time. In view of the massive undertaking by elements of the National Council on Marine Resources and Engineering Development body authorized by this committee in legislation passed by Congress and extended less than 60 days ago to provide for full and complete reports, I believe the timing of this additional study effort is not wise. Further, in view of the interacting, interelating and interface between all facets of the sea and all activities upon and within it, I question that a move at this time to isolate one aspect of the total problem would lead to the best integrated efforts based on the recommendations yet to be formulated.

In addition, Mr. Chairman, I would like to take this opportunity to point out some other broad considerations which should be examined before selecting out specific areas of the sea for special study or isolated treatment.

THE LAW OF THE SEA

The chairman knows that I have long held that one compelling and urgent necessity has been and still is the creative growth of the law of the sea in tandem with and in support of other advances in studies as

short-term benefits to those carrying on activities that create both the risks and the burdens.

ISOLATION

Every part of the sea is related to the total ocean. What is decided for one area will, to some extent, given a proper time frame, affect and change the other areas. We need at the outset to look at the whole of the sea. We need from the beginning a framework of reference which allows for an integrated program in all the activities in oceanography. This being so it would be well to defer separate approaches on special programs until the framework of reference has been fixed and defined. This is the essence of the charge given the National Council. I think we should await their report before moving on the subject matter before us.

Mr. LENNON. That was an excellent statement, Mr. Hanna. Are there any questions?

Thank you, Mr. Hanna.
Mr. Hanna. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. LENNON. My intention is to continue these hearings. We will convene tomorrow at 10 o'clock to, I believe, hear some witnesses who had to go out of town yesterday and couldn't be back today. We invite you gentlemen to come back and hear from the Department of the Interior witnesses who I believe are going to testify tomorrow.

Thank you very much.

(Whereupon, at 12 noon, the subcommittee recessed to reconvene at 10 a.m., Thursday, April 11, 1968.)

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OCEANOGRAPHY LEGISLATION

MARINE SANCTUARIES

THURSDAY, APRIL 11, 1968

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
SUBCOMMITTEE ON OCEANOGRAPHY OF THE
COMMITTEE ON MERCHANT MARINE AND FISHERIES,

Washington, D.C. The subcommittee met at 10:15 a.m., pursuant to recess, in room 1334, Longworth House Office Building, Hon. Alton Lennon (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.

Mr. LENNON. The committee is convened.

This morning, gentlemen, we have the pleasure of hearing from the Deputy Assistant Secretary for Fish and Wildlife and Parks, of the Department of the Interior, the Honorable Clarence F. Pautzke.

We are delighted to have you, sir, and your associates if you will come around. You have, sir, a written statement which has been furnished to the members of the subcommittee, which you will find in your folders, gentlemen.

STATEMENT OF CLARENCE F. PAUTZKE, DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRE

TARY FOR FISH AND WILDLIFE AND PARKS; ACCOMPANIED BY EUGENE W. STANDLEY, STAFF ASSISTANT, OFFICE OF ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR MINERAL RESOURCES; AND DAVID B. FINNEGAN, ASSISTANT LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL, DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR

Mr. PAUTZKE. Good morning, Mr. Chairman and members of the subcommittee.

Mr. LENNON. Would you identify your associates for the record, please?

Mr. PAUTZKE. Yes, sir. On my left is Mr. David B. Finnegan, assistant legislative counsel for the Department of the Interior, and on my right is Mr. Eugene Standley, staff assistant, office of the Assistant Secretary for Mineral Resources.

Mr. LENNON. Thank you. You are welcome here.

Mr. PAUTZKE. Mr. Chairman, I have a statement that I desire to read and, with your permission, I will do so.

Mr. LENNON. Go right ahead, sir.

Mr. PAUTZKE. I am pleased to be here today to present the Department's views and recommendations on H.R. 11584, and its companion

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