ciated with important tactical warfare projects that must be executed promptly. Consequently, a relatively large number of small dollar value but high priority Southeast Asia contracts took precedence over and effectively delayed normal processing of higher dollar value R. & D. contracts during fiscal year 1966.

As both Admiral Leydon and I indicated earlier in our testimony, we are taking strenuous management action to reduce these carryover balances and I have every expectation that our performance during the coming year will be significantly better than in fiscal year 1966. Be that as it may, a recoupment objective of $82 million has been established and it is up to us to do our very best to achieve this goal.

I should point out, however, that in the original budget plan presented to the Congress this amount was to be achieved through application of $14.5 million of fiscal year 1967 funds then held in DOD reserve $10 million congressional add-on and $4.5 million from personnel adjustments-and $65.5 million of unidentified sources. Since that time the $14.5 million has been made available to the fiscal year 1967 program-$10 million for the purpose originally appropriated and $4.5 million as an offset against our requested $40 million supplemental. Consequently, at this point in time, the entire $82 million recoupment objective must be attained from currently unidentified sources. Thus, since our original budget submission, the real dollars that we must dig up-or recoup-during the coming fiscal year have increased by $14.5 million.

Obviously, at this point in time, we do not know the source of these funds nor do we expect to identify sources for the recoupment by July 1. Rather, during the coming fiscal year we will have to be unusually diligent in our review of both fiscal year 1968 and prior years programs in an attempt to identify at the earliest possible time funds that may be recouped from: programs that have slipped; programs that properly should be reduced in scope or reoriented obligated but unexpended amounts on old contracts which properly should be closed out; and the like. Today, I am not overly sanguine that we can recover $82 million without change to our currently planned program content. All I can do is give you my assurance that we will do our very best. Of course, if the recoupment objective is not fully realized through the means I have mentioned, it will be necessary to curtail programs in the amount of the short fall.

I must agree that there is today some incongruity in the simultaneous existence of a large recoupment objective and the necessity to provide additional funds for some programs where new, important requirements have become known since the budget was put to bed. I think that as much as anything, this situation highlights the overall tightness of our fiscal year 1968 R. & D. program and budget. Certainly it challenges us to exercise the utmost self-discipline, the most critical and searching appraisal, and the highest order of fiscal and program management in the months ahead.

Mr. SIKES. Are there any additional film clips which we have not seen?

Mr. FROSCH. We have other film clips.

(Film shown.)

Commander HANSEN. This next film clip is the torpedo Mark 46, Mod 1, — pounds, approximately than the Mod 1 version.

It has a range of

yards. It is a versatile weapon. It can either be fired from a ship, in the first case from a tube, and secondly, from an ASROC launcher, also carried by the DASH helicopter, or by this SH3 helicopter, or by fixed-wing aircraft.

The next item of ordnance is the Mark 4 gun pod which Dr. Frosch discussed yesterday. This is a demonstration firing of three Mark 4 pods on an A4 aircraft at the ordnance test station at China Lake. It has an extremely rapid rate of fire, rounds per minute per

gun, strafing surface targets. One can see the effect on this target. Mr. SIKES. The gun barrel Commander HANSEN.

In slow motion you can see the amount of brass, empty brass, and linkage falling away from these

three guns.

Mr. FROSCH. At times it looks like a combination gun and bombing system.

Commander HANSEN. The next film clip is a live warhead drop of the WALLEYE bomb. Once again, this is at the ordnance test station and the WALLEYE is being released from an A4 aircraft. The target in this test was a World War II-type antiaircraft emplacement with a concrete bunker adjacent. Here comes the WALLEYE bomb

Mr. SIKES. Is that what you planned?

Commander HANSEN. Yes, sir. The bunker actually has two openings, as you can see in this view. If you will observe the WALLEYE coming in, you will notice the flame going out the other end. It is an warhead in an

weapon.

In the next view we will see here in the film a telemetered view of what the WALLEYE weapons saw in its electro-optical guidance as it homed in on this bunker. It is telemetered back to the ground. Mr. FROSH. It is now locked on.

Commander HANSEN. It is now locked on, yes, sir, with the target right in the center of the crosshairs

The next weapon to be shown is the ROCKEYE bomb, about which a question was asked by Mr. Sikes. ROCKEYE has been released from an A4 aircraft. The fins of the case are canted to give it a spinning motion. ROCKEYE dispenses 247 small bomblets, antitank weapons. In this case they were dropped against an array of targets on the desert. ROCKEYE can carry a variety of payload bomblets either antiarmor, antipersonnel, or if desired.

This film clip is of a test weapon which we have called the

Mr. SIKES. Could it be used

Admiral DOBIE.

Mr. FROSCH. This feature could be removed.

Mr. SIKES. So it would have

Admiral DOBIE. The water is quite shallow there.

Commander HANSEN. The weapon which we are now seeing is the

This is a helicopter-towed minesweeping gear, the Mark 101. It has a unique hydrofoil feature on which the sweep gear rides when being towed by the helicopter. It is now being placed in the water down in the Mine Defense Laboratory at Panama City.

Mr. SIKES. In what State?

Commander HANSEN. In Florida, Mr. Sikes, near Crestview, Fla. Towed out to open water, a helicopter has now attached itself to the

minesweeping gear and is towing it. A speed of around

for minesweeping in this manner can be achieved as compared to knots by surface minesweeping.

Mr. MINSHALL. How effective has this proven?

knots

Mr. FROSCH. It has proven quite effective in tests, as effective as the minesweeping gear when towed from small boats. These films are films of a rough water test and it was quite satisfactory. It probably counts as the smallest hydrofoil we have got. It is really the only one with helicopter propulsion.

Commander HANSEN. This vehicle now is being loaded aboard a submarine down at Norfolk, the Mark 48 torpedo shape. We put this film in to give you an appreciation of the size and dimension of the Mark 48. It is pounds in weight and in diameter. It is still something of a task to load a weapon of this size aboard the submarine and to get it into the torpedo tubes or in position to put in the tubes. It has the characteristic of the Mark 48 torpedo. This loading was done as practice, of course, in anticipation of the day when the actual weapon arrives.

This gentleman is loading a firebomb. Notice the unique cohesive texture of the burning mixture. Here is a series of firebomb tests. These are of the fire-eye weapon case. It can be seen that there is no attempt to make any accurate ballistic trajectory to the firebomb. It has been determined that a random impact at the ground has about as good an effect of scattering the fire as can be designed into a shape. Mr. SIKES. Is this different than napalm?

Mr. FROSCH. It is a more advanced compound beyond napalm. The cases, in addition, can be stacked.

I

Now, this is an animation of the firing and the trajectory have a sample that I can show you after the film clips are over, sir. This is the effect on some metal material in tests.

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Commander HANSEN. This is the first fabricated mount of the 5inch 54 lightweight gun for installation in ships of destroyer size These two men are loading projectiles and propellant cases into the cylinder in the below-deck spaces and this cutaway shows the. A total of men will man the 5-inch 54 lightweight for the present single-barrel 5-inch

gun as compared with about

54 gun.

TEMPORARY AIRFIELD

This is the SATS or short airfield tactical support installation at Chulai in Vietnam launching an A4. Would you like to comment, General Anderson?

General ANDERSON. I think this has received considerable publicity. This is an instant airfield which the Marine Corps developed. In fact, this matting has become so popular that the Air Force is taking a considerable amount of it for their own use in Vietnam and we hope to continue our development efforts this year in developing lighter weight matting, and improving our catapult and arresting gear. Most of this work is done up at Atlantic City or in Philadelphia in the Navy laboratories.

Mr. SIKES. Does this utilize aluminum matting?

General ANDERSON. Yes, sir. The AM2 aluminum matting.

Mr. SIKES. Have you tested chemicals which can be mixed with soil in order to form aircraft landing strips?

General ANDERSON. Yes, sir. We have not tested them for aircraft landing strips; but in our portion of the R. & D. budgets right now we are testing the use of polyesters, polyester resins for use as helicopter landing sites. In fact, I had some blocks of soil in my office the other day where they had stabilized the soil by mixing it in a vat with a polyester resin. They then covered the surface with the same material and it felt almost as hard as a rock. We are now to give it bearing tests and impact tests.

Mr. SIKES. Have these tests proceeded far enough to judge the relative usefulness of this type of landing surface?

General ANDERSON. No, sir. For helicopters; yes.

Mr. SIKES. Do you foresee any possibility of being able to develop a material that will stand the stress and strain of aircraft landings? General ANDERSON. I received a proposal in the mail this morning, Mr. Sikes, that indicates that this can be done and we will certainly evaluate this proposal.

Mr. SIKES. Can the same material be used for building purposes? General ANDERSON. Do you mean for mass building?

Mr. SIKES. Yes.

General ANDERSON. I would think so. It would have considerable application.

Mr. MINSHALL. How do you apply this? Is it sprayed?
General ANDERSON. Sprayed, sir.

Mr. MINSHALL. So you have to prepare the surface first?
General ANDERSON. No. If you mean leveling it, yes.

Mr. MINSHALL. Yes.

General ANDERSON. You can take the soil and mix it just like a rototiller. We have done it to a depth of 4 inches and it brings the soil up and mixes it in the vat with the polyester resin and lays it back on the ground and we can lay-I think the machine we have, which is really an R. & D. machine, lays a strip about 11 feet in width.

Mr. MINSHALL. How fast does it do this?

General ANDERSON. It is quite fast.

Mr. MINSHALL. You could put a good strip down in a day?

General ANDERSON. Yes, real quickly. It is something on the order of 150 square feet a minute or something of that sort. It is real fast. Mr. SIKES. Off the record.

(Off the record.)

Mr. LIPSCOMB. I notice in your

there is quite a reduction or and 1968 is esti

change in the program. Fiscal year 1967 was mated

What would cause such a large change in a program? Mr. FROSCH. This particular line item was introduced to provide funds in the budget for special This was done at a time when We have now arrived at a time

we were really building up our

where we have a number of developments that are far along and many things in the field. We feel the requirement for the quick reaction capability is lessened because we are in a more systematic state of development and deployment in

Mr. LIPSCOMB. The Secretary of Defense.

Mr. FROSCH. Yes, it was.

now.

is what you requested of the Office of

Mr. LIPSCOMB. On page 143 of your statement, Doctor, you are talking again about the What is the amount requested for fiscal program?

year 1968 for this

Mr. FROSCH.

Mr. LIPSCOMB. Is this the amount that was requested by the Navy

for this program?

Mr. FROSCH.

were requested. This is the item we discussed

yesterday in which there was

decrease. This constitutes, as I

recall, a small increase over the 1967 amount,

Mr. LIPSCOMB. And you do not consider this as a serious reduction or slowing down of the program?

Mr. FROSCH. No, we do not.

NUCLEAR PROPULSION

Mr. LIPSCOMB. You have had a program going for a few years for a nuclear propulsion plant. Originally it was for a single reactor nuclear propulsion plant and in 1964 it was changed by the Secretary of Defense and orientated toward the development of a two-reactor nuclear propulsion plant.

I notice that you are beginning at least that is the way I read ita small combatant nuclear propulsion plant program for fiscal year 1968; is that correct?

Mr. FROSCH. Yes.

Mr. LIPSCOMB. How much is requested for this new program and what is its purpose?

Mr. FROSCH. The request is for that particular plant, the objective is to develop one for warships that are smaller than those that can carry the present nuclear propulsion plant, the smallest that can carry the present plants are the and this would be smaller

destroyer-class ships.

or better or the equivalent, depend

We expect and hope to get a full power speed of in those ships, with an endurance of ing on speed.

Mr. LIPSCOMB. Is this propulsion plant needed, is it badly needed? Mr. FROSCH. I think we would like to have better and longer endurance propulsion for the destroyer class ship, and if we can develop a plant that is reasonable for those ships both in size and capability and reasonably competitive economically and in terms of the mission, then I think we would be most interested in using it. Mr. LIPSCOMB. How much was requested by the Navy for this program originally?

Mr. FROSCH. The amount that is in the budget.

Mr. LIPSCOMB. And you were allowed all you requested?
Mr. FROSCH. We were allowed all we requested.

PROJECT MICHAELSON

Mr. LIPSCOMB. Admiral Leydon, last year you reported that Project Michaelson had been closed out or transferred to another area and you inserted in the record some of the reports that were being completed at that time. I believe that there were more reports due in closing out the Project Michaelson.