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Arguments that mobilization planning must be done entirely within the Military Establishment because it is impossible, in time of peace, to focus the minds of industrial and business leaders on the problems of war became invalid with the first blast of atomic power.

Industrial, civilian, and military mobilizaton planning must in the future be done on a national scale, and executed with such timeliness and precision that the first shock of the next war finds us a nation prepared.

It should be noted that in drafting the bill care was taken not to reduce the authority and responsibility of the President in the fields covered by the Security Council and Resources Board. However, section 201 (b) with respect to the Security Council and section 203 (d) with respect to the Resources Board make it possible for the President to direct these two agencies to perform appropriate functions not inconsistent with law.

The Executive order proposed to be issued by the President on the passage of the bill covers the functions of the services under a threedepartment organization.

I believe that the assignment of primary functions and responsibilities to the three armed services in that document will provide a proper basis for their development and for the necessary joint and coordinated strategic and operational planning which it was difficult and at times impossible to accomplish between the end of hostilities and the agreement of January 16.

I have been asked repeatedly concerning the extent to which the proposed National Security Act and the proposed Executive order provides safeguards for naval aviation and the Marine Corps.

I do not consider that the proposed National Security Act attempts to safeguard any branch of the service. The only effective safeguard for any service or any branch of any service is the will of the Congress. As long as the Congress considers any branch of the service to be essential, it can be safeguarded and sustained by appropriations. I know of no other truly effective safeguard.

In concluding my prepared statement, I advocate passage of the bill, S. 758, in its entirety for the following reasons:

(a) It will provide a comprehensive over-all program for the future security of the United States;

(b) It will provide for the integration of the foreign and military policies of the Government;

(c) It will coordinate under civilian control the departments, agencies, and functions of the Government relating to national security; (d) It will provide permanent machinery for the formation of integrated programs for the most effective use of the Nation's military, human, natural, and industrial resources in the interest of national security;

(e) It will provide for coordination of the Nation's foreign intelligence activities and for the central operations of foreign intelligence functions:

(f) It will prevent undesirable duplication, harmful competition, and unnecessary overlapping of functions;

(g) It will provide for adequate provision for and coordination of research and development on scientific matters relating to the national security;

(h) And finally it will provide for an effective team of land, naval, and air forces for the defense of the Nation.

The CHAIRMAN. Some of our committee members must leave now to go on the floor, and I want to find out from the committee if it is agreeable to meet tomorrow morning at 10:30 o'clock.

There are no objections, and we will meet tomorrow morning at 10:30 o'clock, at which time Admiral Sherman will be present to take care of any questions that may be asked, and General Norstad will be the witness, followed by the procurement sections of the Army and Navy.

I also would like to announce to all of the committee members that I would like to have as soon as possible a list of the witnesses they would like to have here next week.

Any witness you might want to hear should have a little advance notice so that he can prepare himself.

Please give that information to me or to the clerk.

The committee will recess at this time, until tomorrow morning at 10:30 o'clock.

(Whereupon, at 12:30 a. m., an adjournment was taken, to reconvene at 10:30 a. m., Thursday, April 3, 1947.)

NATIONAL DEFENSE

ESTABLISHMENT-UNIFICATION

OF THE ARMED FORCES

THURSDAY, APRIL 3, 1947

UNITED STATES SENATE,
COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES,

Washington, D. C.

The committee convened at 10:30 a. m., pursuant to adjournment, in room 212, Senate Office Building, Senator Chan Gurney (chairman) presiding.

Present: Senators Gurney (chairman), Robertson of Wyoming, Saltonstall, Russell, Byrd, Hill, and Maybank.

The CHAIRMAN. The committee will come to order.

Yesterday Admiral Sherman did not quite complete his testimony, although he did finish his prepared formal statement. This morning he has some information for us, which can be covered quite quickly, I believe..

We will hear now from Admiral Sherman.

STATEMENT OF VICE ADM. FORREST SHERMAN, UNITED STATES NAVY, NAVY DEPARTMENT, WASHINGTON, D. C.-Resumed

Admiral SHERMAN. Mr. Chairman, one of the questions that has been asked me most frequently inside the Navy and by a number of people outside the Navy, concerning this proposed legislation, is the functioning of the set-up in regard to the preparation of the military budget. I feel that that is so important that I would like to give the committee the concept as I have it, and as I derived it from the conferences which led to the drafting of the provisions with respect to the budget.

This diagram, of which I think copies have been distributed, attempts to show in graphic form the processes as they might well ensue under this bill. The terms of the legislation are not definitive; many of the details might be worked out differently. So this can be described as one probable method under the terms of the bill.

The CHAIRMAN. You mean by that, Admiral, that we should in the bill outline how the flow of authority on this budget problem would proceed?

Admiral SHERMAN. No, sir; I do not. I submit this only to amplify the concepts that are written into the bill in various places, and to bring them together in one place with reference to that one particular problem, which is very important.

The CHAIRMAN. I believe at this point in the record the graph referred to should be printed.

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(The graph referred to is inserted facing this page.)

Admiral SHERMAN. Starting with the diagram of the National Security Council, which considers foreign policy, military policy, and the resources of the Nation, information would in that agency become available to the Secretary of National Defense and the Secretaries of the three military departments; which would in turn permit them to go ahead with the preparation of the three military budgets, based upon the realities of the current national situation as it affects the national security.

The Secretary of National Defense would be assisted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff in translating the problem into requirements for forces. As a result of their consideration of the strategic consideration and their consideration of the over-all forces that would be required by the United States, and with such help as he chose to have from the War Council, which consists of the three Secretaries of the military departments and the three Chiefs of Staff, there would then be a basis from which the three separate departments could translate the requirements for forces into their requirements in terms of material, in terms of personnel, and in terms of money to support the over-all concept which has been arrived at under the supervision of the Secretary of National Defense. From that would flow the initial budget estimates of the three military departments.

After those three separate budget estimates are arrived at, they would then in turn be submitted to be reviewed, together, under the supervision of the Secretary of National Defense.

One of the essential points in the legislation that is proposed is that they would be considered together. I might point out now that one of the obstacles that we have had to a sound preparation of military budgets in the past is that they have not been coordinated at the same time. Over a period of years the Navy appropriations bill has cleared the Bureau of the Budget before the Army estimates were submitted.

Senator BYRD. What part of the bill provides that they should be considered together?

Admiral SHERMAN. Section 102, sir, which provides that the Secretary of National Defense

shall supervise and coordinate the preparation of budget estimates by the departments and agencies of the National Defense Establishment, which shall be submitted to him at such time and in such manner as he may direct; he shall formulate and finally determine the budget estimates of the National Defense Establishment for submittal to the Bureau of the Budget

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Senator BYRD. And he has exclusive power to reduce or add to, as he pleases, these estimates that are presented to him by the three divisions; is that right?

Admiral SHERMAN. Yes, sir.

Senator BYRD. And he has the exclusive, the absolute, power to do that if he chooses to do it?

Admiral SHERMAN. Yes, sir.

Senator BYRD. He could cut one and put on to another?

Admiral SHERMAN. Yes, sir.

Senator BYRD. From there it goes to the Budget Bureau, and from there it goes to the President. Assuming that a Secretary of the Navy, for example, was dissatisfied with his allotment, could he come before Congress without being requested to come?

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