This committee suggested 2 years ago that we should give very careful thought to the re-location of the Declaration of Independence and of the Constitution, and the copy of the Magna Charta deposited with us by the British Government, and also the copy of the Gutenburg Bible.

(Discussion off the record.) We have moved

-boxes boxes of material away from Washington. We were given two appropriations totaling $130,000, and we have moved that material out under guard. It is kept under a 24-hour guard.

We have also moved our whole Union Catalog down to Virginia, where it still functions and can be used.

At the present time, if the hazard does not increase we think we are in pretty good shape. We may have to move more material if the hazard increases.

We are doing one thing which I want to report to the committee. I have talked about it to the chairman, not that I asked him to share the responsibility, because it is my responsibility, but we have decided to bring back to Washington for the Jefferson dedication the Declaration of Independence and the Jefferson papers.

Mr. JOHNSON. What was the cost to move them out and put them back?

Mr. CLAPP. The cost of moving them back was $145.46 for that one portion of the move.

Mr. MACLEISH. They were already boxed, so we did not have to do that again. That most expensive work was taken care of. Mr. JOHNSON. I presume they were boxed.

Mr. MACLEISH. They were still in the boxes.

Mr. JOHNSON. It would cost you something to take them out of a box and handle them, would it not?

Mr. MACLEISH. Our staff will do that.

Mr. JOHNSON. Then you will re-box them and send them back again?

Mr. MACLEISH. Yes, sir.

Mr. JOHNSON. I understood you to say it cost $130,000 to make this move altogether.

Mr. MACLEISH. No; we had two appropriations totaling $130,000, and of that amount there is left about $70,000, I believe.

Mr. CLAPP. The total expenditure was $57,000, and the total amount left is about $70,000.

Mr. JOHNSON. So, instead of costing $130,000

Mr. MACLEISH. So far it has only cost us considerably less than that, about $57,000.

Mr. CLAPP. As of January 31, 1943, it cost $57,682.69.

Mr. O'NEAL. You might explain the purpose of bringing it back

now.

Mr. MACLEISH. It is brought back first for exhibiting the Declaration in the Jefferson Memorial at the time of the dedication. We are having built a heavy steel case with bullet proof glass and the Secretary of the Navy will provide a 24-hour marine guard. The document will be exhibited in the Memorial at the time of the dedication by the President and for a few days thereafter.

My feeling about it is that if there is any document in the United States which should be allowed to be exhibited to the people of this country at this moment, it is that document, and that we are justified under the present circumstances in bringing it back and making it visible for a few days.

Mr. PLOESER. It seems to me some sort of a copy might be used for that purpose without risking the Declaration itself.

Mr. MACLEISH. Of course, the utmost precautions will be taken so that danger shall not touch the document-not from transportation and not by bombs.

Mr. PLOESER. Ör not by any shell?

Mr. MACLEISH. The document will be brought back under protection by the Secret Service; it will be kept under a marine guard; it will be in a container which will be altogether too heavy for a man to run off with, but which can readily be moved; that is, it could be picked up and moved to a place of safety if there were any indication of a possible raid on Washington, any warning of it. (After discussion off the record :)

I recognize your point; I feel it very deeply. I feel it is a difficult problem. But in the eternal balance between the problem of security and the problem of use, it seems to me there are times when we really must take some chances in order to make these things really useful to the people, to whom they belong, when they need them.

Mr. PLOESER. That is true; on the other hand, there are very few people who will see this thing and they can be equally benefited by seeing a copy. I do not see why we should necessarily risk that document which in no way in the world can be replaced, to say nothing of the expense, which is probably secondary in a case of this kind.

Mr. MACLEISH. I think the expense will not be very great.

Mr. O'NEAL. I sort of felt the old Declaration of Independence sort of had a right to have an adventure here while this war is going on. Mr. PLOESER. I think it has a right to be observed; I think it has a right to be read by all of the people of the Nation, and particularly the Administration; but I do not think it is necessary to risk its destruction.

DEFERMENTS OF PERSONNEL

Mr. O'NEAL. Mr. MacLeish, I would like to ask you- which we are asking of every department-what deferments have been asked for in the Library from military service, if any?

Mr. MACLEISH. We have asked for two deferments and two temporary deferments.

The two temporary deferments were in the past. The subject of one is now in the armed services. He was deferred for 1 month while his successor was selected. The subject of the other was a deferment for a couple of months during Mr. Vance's absence in South America. That deferment is now over, and he has been classified.

There are, therefore, two deferments remaining. They are both engineers in the recording laboratory in the Music Division, and their deferment was requested by the War Department because of the importance of the work that laboratory was doing.

Mr. O'NEAL. They are specialists in that branch, are they?
Mr. MACLEISH. Yes, sir.

EMPLOYEES PAID FROM GIFT AND TRUST FUNDS

Mr. O'NEAL. I would like to have for the record a list of all the positions and salaries which are paid in whole or in part from grant or gift funds, or from any other funds you have other than specific appropriations.

Mr. CLAPP. I can give you the list now, although I do not have the actual salaries. Do you want the salaries paid, also?

Mr. O'NEAL. I think it might be well to itemize that, if it is not too lengthy.

Mr. CLAPP. All right.

Mr. O'NEAL. Showing the amount of salaries paid from appropriations and the amount paid from gifts.

Mr. CLAPP. All right.

Employees paid from gift and trust funds as of Mar. 1, 1943

SALARIES, LIBRARY PROPER

Mr. O'NEAL. If there are no further questions, we will turn now to page 89 of the bill and start with the item for salaries, Library proper, and which is presented in the justifications on page 3.

Now, the amount which you received in 1943 by way of appropriation was $1,422,935. For 1944, you are requesting $1,495,950. You also received a supplemental of $9,680, which makes the actual amount requested for 1944 $1,505,630. Is that right?

Mr. MACLEISH. That is correct.

Mr. O'NEAL. I think it might be well to place in the record the table on page 3.

Mr. MACLEISH. All right.

Appropriated for 1943: Legislative Branch Appropriation Act, 1943. $1, 422, 935 Increases requested for 1944:

1. Legislative changes in salary ranges under Public No. 694, 77th Cong--

$10, 980

2. Revised allocations under Classification Act of 1923 as amended:

EXPENDITURES OF CURRENT APPROPRIATION OF SALARIES, LIBRARY PROPER

Mr. O'NEAL. You spoke of having a 68 percent turn-over: Does not that have the effect of reducing the actual expenditures by a considerable amount? And we would like to have the latest figure you have as to expenditures under "Salaries" for the fiscal year 1943. Mr. CLAPP. I can give you the expenditures up to December 31. Mr. O'NEAL. That is, for 6 months?

Mr. CLAPP. For 6 months. The obligations were $666,633.49, leaving an unexpended balance, as of that date, of $756,301.51.

Mr. O'NEAL. Do you anticipate your expenditures for the second half of the fiscal year 1943 will be approximately what you spent for the first half, or more?

Mr. CLAPP. They will be much larger, sir.

Mr. O'NEAL. Why?

Mr. CLAPP. Because of the 10 percent additional compensation, and because of certain reallocations which have taken effect; because of certain legislative increases in salary ranges which were effective August 1; and also because of certain increases within grades which will become effective April 1.

Mr. O'NEAL. Do you anticipate there will be a balance of the amount which was appropriated to you, or that you will about come out even?

Mr. CLAPP. I am afraid we shall incur a deficit, because of the 10 percent additional compensation required by Senate Joint Resolution 171.

FUNDS TRANSFERRED TO LIBRARY OF CONGRESS FROM OTHER AGENCIES

Mr. O'NEAL. Another statement you might make on the record, or put in later, is in what respect the Library appropriation has been augmented by transfers of funds by agencies under the Executive branch of the Government; also, I think it might be interesting for you to show any funds you did have that you do not now have, as showing if the work of the Library proper has been impaired a little bit by not receiving what you did receive. In other words, give us the story of all funds received from other sources than from appropriations, showing the use of those funds; also where funds have been denied to you or will be denied in 1944 that you have had heretofore.

Mr. CLAPP. Yes, sir.

Mr. O'NEAL. You might make just a brief statement about that now for the information of the committee.

Mr. CLAPP. In a number of cases, other agencies have suggested to us work which they would like us to perform but which we were incapable of performing with our present staff.

Mr. PLOESER. Is that specifically for war work?

Mr. CLAPP. In every case, it has been either directly or indirectly connected with the war.

Mr. PLOESER. What do you mean by "indirectly"?

Mr. CLAPP. That is a matter of interpretation. I was thinking of the program of cooperation with American republics, which started before the war. That is an item under the State Department's appropriation, but funds are transferred from the State Department appropriation to the Library of Congress to carry on some four projects. Before the war, they were defense projects; now they are war projects. Those projects involve small sums totaling in all $35,000. Still larger sums, however, have been transferred to us by the Office of Strategic Services to maintain what we have called our "Division of Special Information," which is a division for digging out of the Library information required by the Office of Strategic Services. That has been going on for 2 years.

Mr. PLOESER. Does that service have to do with this information developed in Africa?

Mr. MACLEISH. No, sir; that did not happen to at that time.
Mr. PLOESER. Did it later?

Mr. MACLEISH. Oh, yes; that division is set up on a geographical basis. It has units designated as "Western European"; "Central European"; "British Empire"; "Russia"; "Far East"; "Pacific Areas." Mr. PLOESER. In other words, then, pretty generally what you have described before as additional services of the Library have been provided for by Executive funds?

Mr. MACLEISH. The services I referred to were not. The service I referred to was performed by the Division of Bibliography and the