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Mr. LYNN. In all probability, including the incidental repairs. Mr. HENLOCK. On page 33 of the justifications, we show the urgent repairs that have to be made out of that money, due to certain bad conditions discovered down near the Peace Monument.

Mr. O'NEAL. What is the estimate of cost, when was the estimate made, and do you think you can have the work done within that amount?

Mr. LYNN. This was made in January of this year.

Mr. O'NEAL. And you feel you can have the work done within that amount?

Mr. LYNN. Yes, sir.

Mr. O'NEAL. You feel this will cover the situation rather thoroughly, so it will not be necessary to have further repairs of this sort made for some time to come?

Mr. LYNN. As far as I know; yes, sir.

Mr. O'NEAL. Does this cover storm sewers also?

Mr. HENLOCK. This is just for the sanitary sewers, which also carry storm water from the roof and terraces of the Capitol-just the ones under the west front.

Mr. LYNN. Of course, we have some very large sewers going through the grounds, but they were built in more recent years.

Mr. O'NEAL. You have no reason to thing they are not in good condition?

Mr. LYNN. No, sir.

Mr. O'NEAL. And you anticipate no repairs will be necessary to those?

Mr. HENLOCK. Except the ones under the roadways, in the $300,000 Plaza roadway program.

Mr. O'NEAL. There is something to be done there?

Mr. LYNN. That is an entirely different matter. Those sewers, which are of terra cotta pipe, take the surface water off of the roadways.

Mr. O'NEAL. It is involved in the paving?

Mr. LYNN. Yes, sir. That is not connected with the sanitary sewers estimate.

Mr. STEFAN. Are you referring to those on the front of the Capitol Grounds and terrace that parking space in front that you wanted to pave at one time?

Mr. LYNN. That is correct the terra cotta drains under the asphalt.

Mr. STEFAN. There was some complaint about settling there and you had an estimate in bere at one time of something like $300,000 for repaving the entire front?

Mr. LYNN. All of the driveways and the plaza within the old grounds area.

Mr. STEFAN. At that time you said in some cases it was quite badly deteriorated: What is the condition of that now?

Mr. LYNN. It is growing progessively worse all the time. The terra cotta pipes that carry off the surface water are practically all filled with roots and are not functioning properly. The water just runs over the streets and creates a bad condition, expecially in winter. Mr. O'NEAL. What type of construction will these sewers be? Mr. LYNN. The 24-inch terra cotta sewer serving the Senate wing of the Capitol has been found to be in such bad condition that it should

be abandoned and replaced with an entire new sewer of modern construction, consisting of 24-inch terra cotta bell and spigot pipe, encased in concrete, estimated to cost $3,240.

Mr. STEFAN. Why do you plan to encase it in concrete to get away from the tree hogs?

Mr. LYNN. Yes, sir.

Mr. STEFAN. Are these terra cotta pipe filled with tree hogs now? Mr. LYNN. Yes, sir.

A portion of this sewer is located under the deep part of the fill at the north end of the west terrace. The terra cotta pipe, when originally installed, was laid directly on the ground without protective covering. It has not proven strong enough to stand the load of this deep fill and has broken and settled so that only the surrounding arch action of the earth is keeping the pipe from a total collapse. Any nusual disturbance, either from within or without, such as a severe storm, would, in all probability, cause the complete failure of this portion of the sewer, which carries the major sanitary discharge from the Senate wing, as well as the storm water from the large roof area and the discharge from the Senate restaurant.

In constructing a new sewer to replace this old sewer proposed to be abandoned, the new line would be relocated in such a manner as to avoid much of the deep fill of the terrace.

2. SEWERS TO BE RELINED AND REPAIRED, $34,000

The 3- by 5-foot brick arch sewer serving the House wing of the Capitol, together with the 3- by 5-foot brick arch trunk sewer extending south from the Senate side under the west plaza to the 14-foot brick arch city sewer which runs across the west lawn on the Capitol Grounds, should be repaired, pointed, and relined with a 2-inch coating of cement mortar placed on wire mesh by pressure, using the gunite method, estimated to cost $34,000. This work is considered necessary to make the sewers structurally safe, as well as more sanitary, with the attendant exclusion of rats.

3. SEWERS FOUND IN SATISFACTORY CONDITION

The two 18-inch brick arch sewers and the 24-inch terra cotta sewer serving the central portion of the building were found to be in such condition as not to warrant repairs at this time.

4. MANHOLES TO BE BUILT, $2,000

In addition to this work, 10 manholes should be constructed to provide readier access to the sewers and to improve the sewer ventiation, estimated to cost $2,000.

URGENT REPAIRS NOW BEING MADE

During this survey some difficulty was experienced with a portion of the storm-water sewer in the vicinity of the Peace Monument. Inspection showed that immediate repairs would be necessary to Prevent flooding in this low area. The top of this sewer had collapsed, lowing dirt to fill up the sewer and render it useless. Repairs were egun immediately, consisting of the replacement of the broken sections of this portion of the sewer.

Mr. O'NEAL. What about the desirability of making this money immediately available? Would that meet with your recommendation, or would it be just as well to leave it until after the fiscal year 1943 begins?

Mr. LYNN. We could very well get ready and do this work this

summer.

Mr. O'NEAL. Do you think it would be good business to have this amount made immediately available rather than to wait for it until July 1?

Mr. LYNN. I think it would be advisable; yes, sir.

Mr. O'NEAL. Do you think prices between now and then might possibly increase?

Mr. LYNN. I feel that the prices are likely to increase.

Mr. O'NEAL. And it might be economy to make the money immediately available; do you feel that way about it? Mr. LYNN. Yes, sir; I do.

MAINTENANCE, LEGISLATIVE GARAGE

Mr. O'NEAL. We will pass now to the maintenance of the legislative garage, where you are asking the same amount as for last year, except $180 which I understand is an increase in the item for personal services?

Mr. LYNN. That is correct; the $180 is for within-grade promotions. Mr. O'NEAL. I presume this maintenance item is a fairly fixed item and there is not much of an unexpended balance from 1942, is there? Mr. LYNN. No, sir.

SUBWAY TRANSPORTATION

Mr. O'NEAL. The amount asked for subway transportation is $2,000.

Mr. LYNN. That is the same amount as allowed for 1942. Mr. O'NEAL. Has your experience been that you use practically that amount every year?

Mr. LYNN. We use about that amount every year. Sometimes there is a small balance. Each year we have the navy yard do certain overhauling work on the cars. We have an agreement with them and we pay them by transfer voucher for the cost.

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MAINTENANCE, SENATE OFFICE BUILDING

Mr. O'NEAL. The next item is "Maintenance, Senate Office Building.' Will you insert in the record, Mr. Lynn, a complete statement of the relationship of the Architect of the Capitol to this item "Maintenance, Senate Office Building," and also put in that statement the functions you have with reference to the power plant and operating that?

Mr. LYNN. Yes, sir.

Mr. O'NEAL. So that Congress may have a fairly complete picture of it, and showing the relationship of the Architect to the expenditures for Senate Office Building maintenance.

Mr. LYNN. Yes, sir.

Mr. O'NEAL. The Architect, who is testifying in behalf of all these estimates, is not in a position to testify as to the Senate Office Building maintenance item due to the fact he has no control over the item.

He knows nothing about the individual items; therefore he is not in a position to justify them to this committee. Although the appropriation is technically under his office, he has no knowledge of the tems in the appropriation and no control over them.

Mr. LYNN. There is no basic law, such as in the case of the House Office Buildings, placing the Senate Office Building under the control of the Architect of the Capitol. Since its completion and occupany in 1909, the building has been under the control of the Senate Committee on Rules. Any functions exercised by the Architect of the Capitol in connection with the Senate Office Building maintenance appropriations since 1912 have been through authority derived from the Senate Committee on Rules and the placing of the appropriations by Congress, since 1923, under the Office of the Architect of the Capiol section of the annual appropriation acts.

The Architect has no control over the obligations incurred against the Senate Office Building maintenance appropriations. The custodian of the Senate Office Building acts as the authorized representative of the Senate Committee on Rules. Pay rolls and vouchers covering expenditures made pursuant to this authorization, are signed by the Architect at the direction of the Rules Committee.

Employees paid from the Capitol Building appropriations under the Architect of the Capitol service, operate, and maintain the 6,600-volt high-tension feeder cables between the Capitol Power Plant and the Senate Office Building; and from the point of entrance at the buildng through the basement of the building up to and including the highpension substation equipment; also to and including the transformer vault in the attic and the transformer vault in the basement of the First Street wing, both of which supply service for all air-conditioning motors for the building and including the fire-pump motor.

The Capitol Power Plant employees service the steam lines from the Capitol Power Plant up to and including the high-pressure reducing valves in the First Street wing of the Senate Office Building; the Section of the steam tunnel between the First Street wing and the heating room on the Delaware Avenue side in the old section of the building; the high-pressure reducing valves in the heating room; the high-pressure line running from the heating room over to the legislative garage. The Capitol Power Plant employees also maintain the chilled water supply lines from the Capitol Power Plant up to the lift pump in the Senate Office Building located at the terminus of the Subway.

For the fiscal years 1940, 1941, and 1942, the Senate Office Buildng maintenance appropriations have carried the following proviso, hot carried in previous acts:

Provided, That structural changes in the Senate Office Building shall only be Lade with the approval of the Architect of the Capitol.

MAINTENANCE, HOUSE OFFICE BUILDINGS

Mr. O'NEAL. The next item is "Maintenance, House Office Build"Tigs," and I am very glad to see that there is a net decrease from 942 of $132,440.

Your statement on page 64 of the justifications will be inserted at his time.

(The matter referred to is as follows:)

Regular appropriation, 1942 act

Supplemental appropriation, 1942 (within-grade promotions).

Total appropriations, 1942.

Deduct nonrecurring and other items not required for 1943: Special elevator improvements and modernization.

Base for 1943_

Increases submitted for 1943:

$531,000

3, 200

534, 200

144, 000

390, 200

New position: 1 CU-4 elevator helper.

Annual item-Personal services:

Within-grade promotions, Public Law 200, 77th
Cong., approved Aug. 1, 1941 (from $3,200 to
$5,940), net increase..

Nonrecurring item-Personal services: Temporary labor, from $2,500 to $5,000__

$2,740

1, 320

2, 500

Annual item-Painting: From $30,000 to $35,000 (omit)__

5,000

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Second allotment for roof replacement program, Old House Office
Building, included in 1943 base figure of $390,200 -.

5, 000

Revised estimate for 1943_.

391, 760

Mr. O'NEAL. We will be very glad, Mr. Lynn, to have you explain this justification for the increases.

Mr. LYNN. We had $534,200 for 1942. We dropped out the one special item of $144,000 for elevator modernization, leaving $390,200 as the base base for 1943.

Mr. O'NEAL. How did you happen to drop the $144,000?

Mr. LYNN. It is a nonrecurring item and is, therefor omitted for 1943. This allotment for elevator modernization has been obligated in 1942 and the work is well under way.

Mr. O'NEAL. In other words, you will have spent the $144,000 in 1942, and you will no longer need that amount?

Mr. LYNN. That is correct.

Mr. O'NEAL. Your net increase, then, over the base will be what amount?

Mr. LYNN. We had $534,200 for 1942 and we dropped out the nonrecurring item of $144,000 for elevator modernization, leaving $390,200 as the base for 1943; and to this base have been added increases totaling $11,560, making the total asked for 1943 $401,760 a net decrease of $132,404.

Mr. O'NEAL. And a net increase over the base of $6,560?
Mr. LYNN. $6,560 represents the revised increase.

Mr. O'NEAL. Will you make a statement to clarify that in the record, showing exactly what the net increase is?

Mr. LYNN. Yes, sir.

(The statement requested is as follows:)

Base for 1943 (p. 64).

Less: Item asked to be withdrawn for roof replacement, old House

Office Building.......

Revised base 1943.

$390, 200

5,000

385, 200

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