the development and coordination of all scientific activities and responsibilities of Federal establishment. They should provide maximum assurance that the objectives of the legislation you are considering here today would be met in the most effective manner. The position of the executive branch of the Government is that H.R. 2218 might be enacted but that enactment of any of these other bills would be premature at this time. This position is based on the premise that the President's Science Advisory Committee has set up a special panel on oceanography which is now making a study of the kind contemplated in H.R. 9064. When this panel completes its study and submits a report, the Congress can decide whether additional legislation is necessary and, if so, what legislation would be appropriate. It is possible that additional studies similar to those proposed by H.R. 9064 would then be deemed advisable. Mr. Chairman, we understand that during the present hearings before your committee a proposal has been made to provide standby authority for the establishment in the discretion of the President of a self-liquidating commission, such as proposed by S. 944. We think that this proposal merits serious consideration. If your committee adopts this approach we would like the opportunity to offer suggestions on the provisions of the legislation. Mr. Chairman, that summarizes our point of view and perhaps leaves a little time for questions. Mr. LENNON. Thank you. Mr. Casey? Mr. CASEY. No questions at the moment, Mr. Chairman. Mr. LENNON. It seems to me, sir, that having been a member of ICO since its formation, and you have been a member of the ICO since that time, that you are in an ideal position to equate and place a judg ment on its accomplishments and its difficulties, too, and in my judgment you do that very well on page 5. You make out a complete case for it and a good case against it, it seems to me. With the continuation of the ICO, what legislative action can be done to speed up and to eliminate some of the problems that are involved, that you describe on page 5 of your statement, with respect to the function of the ICO? Mr. McKERNAN. Well, Mr. Chairman, the administration, of course, takes the view that Mr. LENNON. I am talking about you now as an operating member of the ICO for 5 years. Mr. McKERNAN. Well, Mr. Chairman, it is my personal view, aside from my position as a member of the ICO and representing the Interior Department, that there is a need for beefing this up, as the Congress has recognized. A number of excellent suggestions have been made in a number of bills that have been put forth. I must confess that my own personal view leans toward the conclusion that I would like to see considerably more debate than has been possible Mr. LENNON. Would you repeat that? Mr. McKERNAN. Considerably more debate than has been possible even in these rather extensive and, in my opinion, excellent hearings that this committee has carried out, by the people in industry, people in universities, and in government itself. Now, the modified S. 944, as was pointed out this morning, and I have heard comments about it by the chairman in the course of these hearings; also the so-called Rogers bill, does Mr. LENNON. Right at that point, before I forget it, suppose you submit to the counsel of this committee suggestions on the provision of the legislation 944 if the committee, whether the committee did or did not take overt action in that respect. You made a suggestion that you said if we adopt the approach with respect to a self-liquidating commission, either 944, 2218, or any other bills, that you would like to offer suggestions as to the provisions of this legislation. Whether the committee does or does not, I would like for you to furnish to this committee, through its counsel, your views with respect to that legislation. Will you do that? Mr. McKERNAN. Yes; Mr. Chairman. (The information requested follows:) DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR, Hon. HERBERT C. BONNER, OFFICE OF THE SECRETARY, Washington D.C., August 26, 1965. Chairman, Committee on Merchant Marine and Fisheries, House of Representatives, Washington, D.C. DEAR MR. BONNER: On August 17, 1965, during the course of the hearings on the several oceanography bills by the Subcommittee on Oceanography, Mr. Donald L. McKernan, testifying on behalf of this Department, was asked to furnish our views with respect to legislative provisions for the creation of a self-liquidating commission such as that provided for in S. 944. We are advised that the Bureau of the Budget has now furnished to the committee suggested legislative language providing for such a commission which represents the position of the administration on this subject. Sincerely yours, Mr. LENNON. Go ahead. CLARENCE F. PAUTZKE, Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Interior. Mr. McKERNAN. It seems to me that the ICO has provided quite good coordination, although as I mentioned imperfect Mr. LENNON. You said that. Now, what legislativewise can we do to help ICO? Mr. McKERNAN. I was just saying that we have accumulated a great deal of oceanographic knowledge in just the past few years, but it seems to me now that there is a lag in the continued accumulation of this knowledge and perhaps even a greater lag in the application of it toward using the resources of the ocean and applying this research in a practical way and in a way which would benefit our Nation in many ways, particularly the economic way. Mr. LENNON. Now let me interrupt you. I hate to do this but I am afraid we are going to get a quorum. How much time does Bob Abel, Executive Secretary of the ICO give to ICO? Mr. McKERNAN. A hundred percent of his time. Mr. LENNON. How much staff does he have? How many secretaries? How many assistants? Mr. McKERNAN. Mr. Seidman this morning said five professionals. Mr. LENNON. Full-time professionals that devote their time to the staff of ICO? Mr. McKERNAN. There are five, yes. Mr. LENNON. All right, sir, furnish for the record, too, the names— these are full-time people, five. Mr. McKERNAN. Yes. Mr. LENNON. The names and their professional titles, identification, a little professional résumé, biographical, please. Mr. McKERNAN. I will be very happy to. (Information to be furnished follows:) SUMMARY OF ICO PROFESSIONAL STAFF PERSONNEL From August 1960 to September 1960: Gordon Lill, Executive Secretary. From 1962 to July 1963: Hal Visick, assistant to the Executive Secretary. From September 1963 to September 1964: John Padan, scientific staff assistant. March 1964 to present: Dr. Edwin B. Shykind,' Associate Staff Director. May 1964 to present: Lynn L. Moore,1 information specialist. February 1965 to present: William W. Windom,1 administrative officer. February 1965 to present: Gerard E. Sullivan,' legal assistant. PROFESSIONAL RÉSUMÉ OF ROBERT B. ABEL Date of birth: July 21, 1926. EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND Brown University, B.S. in chemistry, 1947. Johns Hopkins University, oceanography, 1954. George Washington University, engineering administration (MEA 1961), 1961. American University (Ph. D. expected 1966-public administration). SUMMARY OF EMPLOYMENT 1961-Present: Executive Secretary, Interagency Committee on Oceanography, Assistant Research Coordinator, Office of Naval Research. 1956-60: Hydrographic Office-assistant to Director. 1950-55: Hydrographic Office Chief Scientist U.S.S. San Pablo-U.S.S. Rehoboth. 1947-50: Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution-chemical oceanographer. MEMBERSHIP American Chemical Society (membership committee). Research Society of America (chapter president, 1961). American Geophysical Union. American Society of Limnology and Oceanography. Lecturer-Joint Board on Science Education for the Washington Metropolitan Area. Marine Technology Society (member of founding board). PROFESSIONAL RÉSUMÉ OF EDWIN B. SHYKIND Date of birth: October 10, 1931. EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND Northwestern University, B.S. in geology, 1953. 1 Professional résumé attached. SUMMARY OF EMPLOYMENT Associate Staff Director, ICO, March 1964 to the present; supervisory oceanographer, U.S.C.G. Chief of the Earth Sciences Branch and special assistant to the Director, Science Information Exchange, Smithsonian Institution, July 1962 to March 1964. Assistant professor of geology, Northern Illinois University, DeKalb, Ill., September 1957 to July 1962. Soils engineer, Goodkind & O'Dea, Chicago, Ill., April 1956 to August 1957. MEMBERSHIP American Association for the Advancement of Science, member. American Association of Petroleum Geologists, active member. Geological Society of America, member. Marine Technology Society, foundation member. Maryland Academy of Sciences, member. The Society of the Sigma Xi, member (club president 1959-60). PROFESSIONAL RÉSUMÉ OF LYNN LUCIUS MOORE Date of birth: July 26, 1926. EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND 1945-48: Middlebury College, Vt., B.A., political science. 1948-49: University of London, London, England. 1949-50: University of Colorado, Boulder, Colo. EXPERIENCE Information specialist, ICO, May 1964 to present. Head, Motion Picture Scripts Branch, Naval Photo Center, Washington, D.C., May 1959 to May 1964; M.P. Advisor, Special Projects Office (1959-63). Editorial associate, Scripts by Oeveste Graducci, Inc., Washington, D.C., June 1954 to May 1959. U.S. Navy, August 1950 to June 1954. U.S. Marine Corps: July 1945 to October 1946. Writers Guild of America (East). MEMBERSHIP PROFESSIONAL RÉSUMÉ OF WILLIAM W. WINDOM Date of birth: February 6, 1927. EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND 1949-50: Rollins Park College, Winter Park, Fla., no degree. 1952-55: Georgetown School of Foreign Service, Washington, D.C., B.S. in Foreign Service. EXPERIENCE Administrative Officer, ICO, February 1965 to present. Motion Picture Script Branch, Naval Photo Center, Washington, D.C., August 1957 to February 1965. Stone's Mercantile Agency, Washington, D.C., January 1956 to August 1957. U.S. Air Force: 1945-48 and 1950-51. PROFESSIONAL RÉSUMÉ OF GERALD E. SULLIVAN Date of birth: October 16, 1937. EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND Villanova University, A.B. in general liberal arts, 1959. SUMMARY OF EMPLOYMENT ICO staff, February 1965 to present, staff officer, (a) international programs; (b) manpower and training. Navy officer, 1959-1962. Phi Delta Phi. National Legal Fraternity. MEMBERSHIP SUMMARY OF ICO CLERICAL PERSONNEL May 1961: Evelyn T. Martin, clerk-typist. November 1964: Maxine E. Crowley, clerk-typist. March 1965: Robert H. Warsing, physical science aid. Mr. LENNON. Where are they funded from? Mr. McKERNAN. They are funded primarily from the Navy, but our own Department provides a small amount of money for the operation of this office and so does Mr. LENNON. What is the total budget of this office we are talking about? Mr. McKERNAN. Dr. Lyman informs me it is about $115,000. Mr. LENNON. $115,000 on an annual basis and that comes from the various agencies who have a representative on ICO? Mr. McKERNAN. Yes; primarily from Navy, but the other agencies do contribute, and this goes into Mr. LENNON. Why could we not get that information the other day when Mr. Abel was testifying or sitting there next to Dr. Morse? Mr. McKERNAN. I cannot help you in that regard. Of course, I think Mr. Lyman Mr. LENNON. What about the suggestion that has been made that they needed money to maintain the continuous operation of an ICO staff? Mr. McKERNAN. Well, there is no question about it, that the every day operation of the ICO and its many subcommittees is underfunded at the present time. I believe this is true. And that additional strengthening of this staff is necessary. It is cumbersome under the present arrangement; I am sure the chairman realizes this. Navy gets a little tired of carrying the load for all of the agencies of Government Mr. LENNON. Let me interrupt you right there. Has the Executive Secretary of ICO been a Navy representative during the 5-year period of ICO? Mr. McKERNAN. Yes. Mr. LENNON. Is there any requirement that that be so? Mr. McKERNAN. No, none at all. The Navy's budget in oceanography has been the major budget, the largest one, and the Chairrian of the ICO has come from Navy. Dr. Wekelin was the first one and ow Dr. Morse. Mr. LENNON. He is designated, though, by Dr. Hornig? Mr. McKERNAN. By the Federal Council and Dr. Hornig, who is the Chairman of it. Mr. LENNON. He is designated by the Chairman of FCST in every instance? |