Analysis of increases 1. Acquisition of books and other library materials___ This increase will provide for initiation of book purchasing programs in Poland, Yugoslavia, and Brazil and for expansion of existing programs in India, Indonesia, Israel, Pakistan, and United Arab Republic. Also, included in this request are funds to purchase 300 highly selected sets of English-language materials from Israel for shipment to U.S. college-level libraries. The request for Poland and Yugoslavia is for a 6-month period. 2. Bibliographic control____ This request will provide for the publication of an accessions list in Indonesia and for necessary bibliographic control of publications in Poland, Yugoslavia, and Brazil. 3. Operation of centers. Provision for establishing projects in Poland, Yugoslavia, and Brazil (Poland and Yugoslavia for 6 months) and for a small branch office for the New Delhi office to be located in Nepal. 4. Program support (U.S. dollars) Increase in dollar support provides for payment of full sal- HOUSE ACTION AND COUNTRIES INVOLVED +$487, 000 +66, 000 +132, 000 +52, 500 +737,500 Senator MONRONEY. The House has denied the increases requested both in U.S. dollar and foreign currency payments, and this allowed the initiation of the program to the countries of Poland, Yugoslavia, and Brazil. I believe that you have recommended that Brazil be dropped because they are not ready for the program yet and you strongly recommend that Poland and Yugoslavia be added and that the others that have been participating be continued? Mr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir. Senator MONRONEY. I think that has been pretty thoroughly covered in the earlier part of our discussion, unless you had something at this point you would like to add? Mr. MUMFORD. May I ask Mr. Welsh, who directly supervises this program, whether there is anything additional? Mr. WELSH. No, sir. I just want to emphasize the importance of this program to the Library of Congress and to the scholarly community which it serves. Senator MONRONEY. In a very constructive way we utilize the foreign currency which otherwise would not be usable? Is that not correct? Mr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir. A very small amount of U.S. dollars goes to support this very worthwhile program. Senator MONRONEY. And I believe the testimony was correct, was it not, that even all of the salary of the American representatives abroad is not paid for in the dollars, but a portion of that is paid for in foreign currencies? Mr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir. CURRENCIES UTILIZED Senator MONRONEY. How do those break down? Mr. MUMFORD. 75-25. Senator MONRONEY. 25 percent foreign currencies and 75 percent United States? Mr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir. Senator MONRONEY. And all of the local assistance, if any, would be paid for in local currencies. Mr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir. PROGRAM DIFFICULTIES IN INDONESIA AND BURMA Senator MONRONEY. You have to get permission from the issuing government on local currencies to use it for this purpose, but you don't have any problem there? The House report made reference to administrative difficulties with the program in Indonesia and has also referred to the problems in Burma. Will you please elaborate on these? Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir. About 3 months ago I visited Burma in an effort to establish a program but I did not succeed. The Burmese Government was reluctant to have another American stationed there. They apparently are quite intent on maintaining their neutrality and keeping as many foreigners out as they can. There was some reluctance on their part to allow us to use excess foreign currencies. The State Department continues to investigate this with the Foreign Service Office. In Indonesia, where I also visited, we continue to operate a program, a very successful program. The political climate seems to have had very little impact upon our operations. Whereas some agencies and some private foundations have been closed out, our program in Indonesia continues. PROSPECT OF PROGRAM CONTINUATION Senator MONRONEY. We pull back our libraries and things of that kind? Mr. WELSH. Yes, the USIS libraries have been closed, but our program continues. Senator MONRONEY. Do you feel it will continue, too, from your information? Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir. Senator MONRONEY. They do not do any research in our libraries here as a counterpart measure? Mr. WELSH. No, sir. COMPREHENSIVE SETS OF PUBLICATIONS Senator MONRONEY. In the justification reference was made to comprehensive sets of publications. That is on page 178. What does a comprehensive set of publications comprise? Mr. WELSH. In numbers, sir? Senator MONRONEY. This is page 178. Mr. MUMFORD. It means getting a copy of every significant, every important book, Mr. Chairman. Instructions have been given to the dealers there for eliminating certain categories of the materials that are not deemed valuable for reference and research, but in general it is a copy of most of the things that are published. Senator MONRONEY. In other words, it eliminates the frivolous from basic information, such as you could catalog these in a sense, and it would be the type of thing that you would be buying with this foreign currency? Mr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir. We would be undertaking to acquire and other libraries would be undertaking to acquire this material but we could not do so successfully without this program. It has been demonstrated over the years that no one library can acquire substantial portions of this material because of the fact that the book trade is not well organized. Also, things are issued in very limited editions. There is no single distribution point in the government for government publications, for example, and having someone on the spot, with people in constant contact with the Government officials and with the dealers, enables us to get very good coverage. Senator MONRONEY. I understand the participating libraries, that is, the libraries in the United States, pay $500 per year for each such set. Mr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir. COST OF SETS Senator MONRONEY. And what do they cost us? Senator MONRONEY. Yes, sir. Mr. MUMFORD. Mr. Welsh, do you have a figure on that? Mr. WELSH. Yes, we do. On page 186, under the category Books 31-A, is the cost of the materials themselves. Senator MONRONEY. Where do I find that? Mr. WELSH. Page 186, in the second to last column, the column immediately preceding the totals column on the right-hand side. Senator MONRONEY. That would be $1,057,600, is that right? Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir, but that figure represents only the cost of the materials. Senator MONRONEY. The sale of these by the Library amounts to how much? Do you have that? Mr. WELSH. The publications are not actually sold, but the participating libraries contributed $31,000 for fiscal 1965. Senator MONRONEY. $31,000. The total foreign currency of that was $1,057,000, but the dollar support was only $100? That was on books purchased I would presume, so it is an allocated cost. Mr. WELSH. Not exactly, sir, since all of the hard-dollar costs are used to support the program: FUNDS AVAILABLE FROM ALL SOURCES Senator MONRONEY. Most all of the buying costs, I would presume, come into that source. The Library receives funds from other sources than the appropriation bill before us. I will insert a table of funds available from all sources into the record at this point. That comes from page A-2, show ing a breakdown on the gift and trust funds and other sources. This gift and trust fund is irregular, I would presume. Mr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir. Senator MONRONEY. It goes up and down. Mr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir; the gift funds do. (The article referred to follows:) Senator MONRONEY. This is income from the trust funds rather than trust funds invested. Mr. MUMFORD. That is right. Practically all the trust funds are held in a permanent loan fund of the Treasury with an income of 4 percent from them. Senator MONRONEY. Do you also get gifts in kind, of books, collections, and things of that kind? Mr. MUMFORD. Yes; we do. Senator MONRONEY. That is not evaluated in any cost? Mr. ROSSITER. No, sir; not here. Mr. MUMFORD. We may evaluate it for the individual; but we don't have it reflected here as to the value of those materials. Mr. WELSH. We received 1,302,000 pieces as gifts, sir, in 1963; and last year 1,161,000; and this current year it will be well over 2 million pieces received as gifts. Senator MONRONEY. These are manuscripts and books placed in the Library for reference service? Mr. MUMFORD. Yes. A great deal of it is in the form of personal papers. Senator MONRONEY. This will conclude the hearings for this morning. We thank you very much, Mr. Mumford. Mr. MUMFORD. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and members of the committee. SUBCOMMITTEE RECESS Senator MONRONEY. The subcommittee will stand in recess until 2 o'clock, when we hear the Architect of the Capitol. (Whereupon, at 12:51 p.m., the subcommittee recessed, to reconvene at 2 p.m. the same day.) (AFTERNOON SESSION, 2 P.M., Monday, JUNE 14, 1965) Senator MONRONEY. The Legislative Subcommittee on Appropriations will be in session. OFFICE OF THE ARCHITECT OF THE CAPITOL RESTORATION OF OLD SENATE CHAMBER STATEMENT OF HON. JOHN STENNIS, A U.S. SENATOR FROM THE STATE OF MISSISSIPPI BUDGET ESTIMATE AND PROPOSED RESTORATION PLANS Senator MONRONEY. Senator Stennis is present. As the foremost advocate of restoring the old Senate Chamber in the Capitol, he wants to be heard on the budget estimate of $700,000 for restoration of this historic room to the Capitol, and to its viewing by the public. Before proceeding with the Architect, we will be glad to hear Senator Stennis. Senator STENNIS. Mr. Chairman, I certainly thank you for what you have said and the opportunity to testify on this matter. So far as advocates of this project are concerned, there are a lot of us, including you, who have worked on this matter, that are interested in it, that have given it support and revived it once when it was dragging a little. Among others in the Architect's Office, Mr. Campioli has worked on it a great deal and has certainly been quite helpful to me. Now, the chairman and the committee are already familiar with this and I do not want to take Senator MONRONEY. We have plenty of time, and would like to have you give a full presentation of what you have. It is very important, so you just take your time. PREPARED STATEMENT Senator STENNIS. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have a prepared statement which I will place in the record and then emphasize some of its high points. Senator MONRONEY. Just as you wish, Senator Stennis. (The statement refered to follows:) STATEMENT OF SENATOR STENNIS ON BEHALF OF THE PROPOSED RESTORATION OF THE OLD SENATE CHAMBER AND THE OLD SUPREME COURT CHAMBER I am pleased to have another opportunity to speak on behalf of a project in which I have a keen interest and which merits the special consideration of this committee: The proposed restoration of the old Senate Chamber and the old Supreme Court Chamber in the U.S. Capitol. In 1964, funds were appropriated for the preparation of working drawings, specifications and estimates of cost for the proposed restoration of the rooms to the condition in which they existed and were furnished when last occupied by 79 49-381-65--6 |