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(Witness: Ferguson.)

Mr. FERGUSON. That was all.

The CHAIRMAN. What was the reorganization outside of that, if anything?

Mr. Ferguson. No, sir; that was all.
The CHAIRMAN. That is what you mean by reorganization ?

The CHAIRMAN. And in your particular bureau--see if I get it correct-when you completed the tabulations which came from the township section, or some other place


The CHAIRMAN. You were at the same time relieved of the tabulations which you had been before that time making?


The CHAIRMAN. If I understood you correctly, the additional work that you then had was about equal to the work that you had been relieved of; am I right about that?

Mr. FERGUSON. No, sir; not exactly.
The CHAIRMAN. State it just as it is; I do not know what the fact is.
Mr. FERGUSON. We got in late years, probably twice
The CHAIRMAN. Take 1904, say for the whole year 1904.

Mr. FERGUSON. We got one-third more schedules to tabulate, and that made us more work. It was the same on the other side of the hall, in the township work; they got from one-half to one-quarter more, probably one-half more.

The CHAIRMAN. Than they had been getting?

The CHAIRMAN. So that the accumulated work was more than the work that you had been relieved of, and added to that work!

Mr. FERGUSON. No, sir; you do not get the idea exactly. We had the work until we got to the final result. Our final result was done on the other side, and their final result was brought over on our side.

The CHAIRMAN. Yes; I understand that. Mr. FERGUSON. So that we were relieved of doing our own and we did theirs; that is all.

The CHAIRMAN. So far as that is concerned, it did not make any difference; but I understood you to say that you had in addition to that the tabulation work for the Bureau of Chemistry and tabulation work for the Geological Survey.


The CHAIRMAN. Were those additional to what you had been doing?

Mr. FERGUSON. We never had done it before.
The CHAIRMAN. You never had done it before?

The CHAIRMAN. So far as the county and township sections were concerned, one practically offset the other?

Mr. FERGUSON. Only both were increased.
The CHAIRMAN. Yes; both were increased.
Mr. FERGUSON. Yes; it was larger. There was more work.

The CHAIRMAN. That would depend, of course, upon the number of correspondents you had added to your list!

Mr. FERGUSON. Yes, sir.

(Witnesses: Olmsted, Ferguson.)

Mr. OLMSTED. This was the work in addition that we had for the outside offices.

Mr. FERGUSON. Yes; that we had for the outside offices.

The CHAIRMAN. Then in addition to that you did tabulation for the Bureau of Chemistry and the Geological Survey; am I right as to that?

Mr. FERGUSON. And Foreign Markets.
The CHAIRMAN. Foreign Markets?

The CHAIRMAN. Those additional pieces of work, the increased volume of work that you had, the work that you received from the township section, the revision of the lists, and the bringing of the card catalogue up to date, that is all the extra work done in the room where

you were ?

Mr. FERGUSON. Yes. The CHAIRMAN. Did that additional work require the time of one additional man?

Mr. FERGUSON. I should think so.
The CHAIRMAN. You were right there, were you not?

The CHAIRMAN. Now, did it, as a matter of fact? I do not know what the fact is. Did it?

Mr. FERGUSON. I would have to see who was in our room before. We all worked steadily, and if there were more men in there, and they worked steadily

The CHAIRMAN. That is the room occupied by the chief, Mr Olmsted?

Mr. OLMSTED. He is in the adjoining room to me.
Mr. FERGUSON. Yes; I am in the adjoining room to Mr. Olmsted.
The CHAIRMAN. Oh, I see.

Mr. FERGUSON. I think there were one or two more men placed in our room.

The CHAIRMAN. Did this additional work that was done require the personal attendance and presence of Mr. Olmsted during this year, 1904? Was he there and was he employed all the time? What is the fact about that?

Mr. FERGUSON. When Mr. Olmsted first came there he was there for two or three months continuously, and then for awhile, if I remember rightly, he was there every morning until 9 or 10 o'clock, and then I understood that he was finishing up some business he had outside.

The CHAIRMAN. How long did that continue ?

Mr. FERGUSON. I should think it continued for two or three months. I have not any idea, especially.

The CHAIRMAN. What do you say-he would be in until 9 or 10 o'clock?

Mr. FERGUSON. After the clerks were all in, and the reports were made to him.

The CHAIRMAN. What was this, work for the Phillippine census? Mr. FERGUSON. That is what I understood; I do not know.

The CHAIRMAN. He has already testified that he was employed on the Philippine census.

(Witnesses: Olmsted, Ferguson.)

Mr. FERGUSON. Yes; finishing up his work. That is the way we put it; finishing up work that he had with the Philippine census, or conferring with the men who were finishing it up, wherever it was.

The CHAIRMAN. You do not know anything about what the work was?

Mr. FERGUSON. I do not know anything about it.

The CHAIRMAN. Is it your understanding that during two or three months

Mr. FERGUSON. I should think during two or three months he was partially engaged in that work. That is my remembrance of it.

The CHAIRMAN. Is it your recollection that during that time he was at the Department of Agriculture from 9 to 10 and the balance of the day he was employed elsewhere?

Mr. FERGUSON. He was there every morning. I do not know anything about it further than stated above.

The CHAIRMAN. Is it your recollection that he was not there during the balance of the day? What is the fact about that?

Mr. FERGUSON. After the census was completed Mr. Olmsted was there all the time.

The CHAIRMAN. That was not completed until January, 1905?

Mr. FERGUSON. I do not know anything about that; but that was our talk in the office.

The CHAIRMAN. How was it before the census was completed ?

Mr. FERGUSON. As I stated, after he would come and open the office and receive his reports, say 9 or 10 or 11 o'clock, he would be gone, and it was reported that he was clearing up and finishing his report for the Philippine census.

Mr. OLMSTED. Would I be gone for the balance of the day or for half an hour occasionally?

Mr. FERGUSON. I could not say, Mr. Olmsted, as to that. It was only that you were away for a part of the time.

Nr. OLMSTED. On some days?

Mr. FERGUSON. We could not tell whether you were in the front room or had gone up to the Census Bureau.

The CHAIRMAN. Are we to understand, or do you wish to be understood, that that was during the period when he was at work on the Philippine census?

Mr. FERGUSON. That is as I understood it. The CHAIRMAN. You may ask him anything you may desire to, Mr. Olmsted.

Mr. OLMSTED. I do not know that I want to ask you anything except this. You speak of my absence up to 10 or 11 o'clock. Was that a daily occurrence or just occasional?

Mr. FERGUSON. No, sir; 'not every day. That is not my remembrance.

Mr. OLMSTED. It was not more than two or three times a week? Mr. FERGUSON. I could not say as to that.

Mr. OLMSTED. Is it not a fact that I was not absent more than half an hour or a quarter of and hour at a time?

Mr. FERGUSON. We could not tell.

Mr. OLMSTED. The thing was, you could not tell whether I was across the hall or in some other part of the office, because I did not stay at my desk all the time; and that is the fact í

(Witnesses: Ferguson, Olmsted, Clark.)

Mr. FERGUSON. I accept it as the fact; that was my understanding.

Mr. OLMSTED. Do you not think that after I reorganized that division and took charge there was a general increase in the efficiency of the clerks?

Mr. OLMSTED. And a better feeling among the clerks?
Mr. FERGUSON. Yes; there was a good feeling.

Mr. OlMSTED. And the quality and the quantity of the work turned out, was not that increased somewhat?

Mr. FERGUSON. Yes; I think so.

Mr. OLMSTED. It was better than it had been under the previous direction?

Mr. OlMSTED. I do not think that I care to ask anything more.



The CHAIRMAN. What is your official position?
Mr. Clark. Assistant Chief of the Bureau at the present time.
The CHAIRMAN. How long have you held that official position?
Mr. CLARK. Since November, 1905.
The CHAIRMAN. And what position did you occupy before that?

Mr. CLARK. I occupied the position of chief clerk immediately preceding that

The CHAIRMAN. For how long a time had you occupied that position?

Mr. CLARK. Since July 1, 1903.

The CHAIRMAN. So that from that time, at least, you have been continuously connected with the Bureau ?

Mr. CLARK. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. And have you been in the discharge of substantially the same duties?

Mr. CLARK No, sir; since being appointed Assistant Chief my duties have been those of Assistant Chief of the Bureau, and the chief clerk's duties have been taken up by my successor as chief clerk.

The CHAIRMAN. That is, latterly your duties have been more of an executive character ?

Mr. CLARK. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Please state in your own way what change, if any, was made in the methods of doing business in the Bureau after Mr. Olmsted came to the Bureau the last time; that was in April, 1904. We are familiar with the conditions before and with the conditions since.

Mr. CLARK. Yes, sir.
The CHAIRMAN. State it in your own way.

Mr. CLARK. Along in 1903 Mr. Hyde, who was then Chief of the Bureau, was very much disturbed and agitated by the way the statistical computations and compilations were being done in the two different sections.

The CHAIRMAN. That is, the township and the county sections?

Mr. CLARK. Yes. There was also more or less gossip going around the Bureau and there was a lowered degree of morale and discipline.

(Witnesses: Olmsted, Clark.)

that plan.

Do you

The CHAIRMAN. You say "gossip was going around the Bureau.” What do you mean by that that the clerks were gossiping with each other?

Mr. CLARK. Yes; that they were gossiping and passing around stories about each other and the officials, and so forth.

Mr. SAMUEL. What foundation was there for that?

The CHAIRMAN. Oh, my; those things do not have to have any foundation. [Laughter.]

Mr. Clark. Mr. Hyde discussed it quite often in my presence, and stated frequently that he wished Mr. Olmsted was back. Mr. Olmsted had been Assistant Statistician, I think, in 1902, and Mr. Hyde had a great deal of confidence in him and reliance upon him as an executive, a disciplinarian, and administrator; and when Mr. Olmsted returned from the Philippine Islands, where he had been engaged in assisting in the taking of the Philippine census, Mr. Hyde stated that he wanted to have Mr. Olmsted return to this Bureau, and that he was going to try to get him reappointed in his Bureau. He had been off on leave without pay from our rolls. Mr. Hyde was trying to devise some method of reorganization of the crop reporting and tabulating sections, and decided upon a plan of organizing them into a division to be called the division of domestic crop reports, and he said that Mr. Olmsted would be appointed chief; and Mr. Olmsted was reappointed in the Bureau as chief of that division, according to

Mr. OLMSTED. Right there, allow me, just a moment. recall that Mr. Hyde made several efforts to have me come back to the Bureau, which I declined three or four times because the work of the Philippine census would not permit me to come back, and finally, the work of the Philippine census having reached a point where i could come back without interference of that work, I agreed to come!

Mr. CLARK. He did not discuss those points with me, but he said. that he was endeavoring to get Mr. Olmsted to come as soon as his work in the Census would permit of it.

To return; as one of the examples of demoralization in that Division, I can cite the case of a list of ginners which the Bureau had had for some six or eight or ten years. The Census Bureau had, I think in 1902, been required by Congress to take each year a census of the amount of cotton ginned from time to time during the ginning sea

In the preparation of that census they naturally secured the names of all the ginners in the United States through their different special agents, etc. Theretofore, and for a time thereafter, we had had a list in our Bureau of cotton ginners secured by correspondence with postmasters and agents in the South. A comparison of that list with the Census Bureau's list showed that we had about 30,000 “dead ones,' as we called them—duplicate names, deceased ginners, ginners who had gone out of business, ginners who had combined their business into one company, and names of five or six members of the same ginning company. In other words, we had had about 30,000 duplicates.

The CHAIRMAN. How many did you have in all ?

Mr. CLARK. We had over 60,000 ginners, when the Census had, as they proved at that time and since, a number not to exceed 35,000—



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