the country and have come up with an estimate of 150,000 summer jobs for disadvantaged youth as what they think they can provide. This is what they are going to try to do. They may or may not. They think it is a realistic goal. They are, in effect, pledging that they are going to fill 150,000 jobs. They think that is a realistic goal. Mr. MEEDS. I hope the National Alliance of Businessmen, which, incidentally, worked very good in the Seattle-King County area until we hit the skids, as we have. They are very despondent now as to their ability to find anything for anybody. I hope that included in this figure of 150,000 there aren't too many areas like Seattle. Mr. LOVELL. Fortunately, there are not too many areas like Seattle. Mr. MEEDS. Therefore, we have to be doing more for the area. Mr. LOVELL. It is an area in great need. It would be hard to say anything else. Mr. MEEDS. It certainly would be, in Seattle. Thank you. Mr. HAWKINS. Mr. Lovell, just summarizing some of the things we have gone over this morning, as I understand it, the number of Neighborhood Youth Corps opportunities will be increased by roughly 195,000. Of this amount, how much is due to the change in the appropriation from that submitted by the administration and where is the rest of the money coming from? Mr. LOVELL. The administration asked for $65 million more and the final amount was $105 million. So that is $40 million more, approximately 100,000 slots. Mr. HAWKINS. The change, however, is 195,000 slots. Mr. LOVELL. All the money comes from the Congress. Mr. HAWKINS. Is the additional due to the amount of money which was approved by Congress-in other words, roughly $106 million? Mr. LOVELL. No. The increase in the number of slots, I think, as you pointed out earlier, Mr. Chairman, comes from an increase of money to $105 million, plus the fact that it is a 9-week program rather than a 10-week program. Mr. HAWKINS. In other words, it is a combination of additional money made available by the Congress and a reduction in the number of hours. Mr. LOVELL. Yes, sir. Mr. HAWKINS. Has there been any change in the matching situation? Mr. LOVELL. No. Mr. HAWKINS. What is the present situation? Mr. LOVELL. It is 90-10. There was, as you will recall, a budget message which called for 80-20, and, frankly, we thought that would make it very difficult. That is why we derived the 9-week concept. Mr. HAWKINS. So the matching will be the same, 90-10? Mr. LOVELL. Yes. Mr. HAWKINS. The Federal summer employment program for outh, that is budgeted for 63,000 slots. How is that financed? Mr. LOVELL. Each agency finances that. These are Federal positions and what we are trying to do is that for every 40 people on the roll, we try to hire one person for the summer. Mr. HAWKINS. They simply squeeze this out of the operating budgets? Mr. LOVELL. That is right. Mr. HAWKINS. We have already dealt with the NAB program. So that would come up with a total of 824,000 job opportunities. I think it was requested that you submit to the committee your statistics on the actual estimated increase in the need this summer as compared with last summer. Will you do that for us? Mr. LOVELL. Yes; we will get that for you right away. (The information referred to appears below.) Mr. HAWKINS. Also, it was the intent of the committee to ask you to discuss the allocation of the money among the various cities, as well as the rural areas of the country, on an itemized basis and on a comparative basis, this summer as compared with last summer. Can you submit to the committee that material? Mr. LOVELL. Yes; we will submit it to you. (The information referred to follows:) Mr. LOVELL. We have developed a formula. As you may know, when this program started, the distribution was based not entirely on a formula, but rather a lot of judgment was required in terms of where the money could be used most effectively and where it was most needed. We thought that now that the program is at almost a quarter billion dollar level that we should not try to impose our judgment. Instead it should be equitably distributed around the country on the basis of three criteria: Unemployment, poverty and work force. Mr. HAWKINS. I assume in the Seattle area that they would get an increase based on that criteria. Mr. LOVELL. Everybody gets some increase because there are more funds available. Then if you apply a formula which favors poverty and unemployment, they get a little bit more. Mr. MEEDS. That is certainly us, Mr. Chairman. Mr. HAWKINS. Is it my understanding that these allocations have already been made? Mr. LOVELL. Yes. Mr. HAWKINS. Finally, I would certainly join with Mr. Esch in the question of advanced planning. It seems to me that one of the criticisms that we hear the most, as we conduct these hearings around the country, is that they get the money, but they get it too late to do the planning. This seems to have been historically the situation. It has nothing to do with the present administration. It has always been this way. Even this year, in the hearings that we have conducted, it was always said that at the local level they have not been able to adequately plan. Probably we are already too late to do some of the planning that is necessary. Mr. LOVELL. We think if we could give some planning staff, to the local level they could at least start developing jobs in advance, because they know generally their needs within a certain boundary. Therefore, if they could at least start planning in October, November, December, for the following year, this would be helpful. Mr. HAWKINS. If there are no further questions, Mr. Lovell, I would like to express our appreciation to you and to your associates for your testimony this morning. I think it has been very constructive. The meeting is adjourned. (Whereupon, at 11:45 a.m., the Special Hearing Subcommittee No. 1 of the House Committee on Education and Labor adjourned.) COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION AND LABOR HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES NINETY-SECOND CONGRESS FIRST SESSION ON OVERSIGHT INTO ADMINISTRATION OF THE AND CONSIDERATION OF H.R. 40, H.R. 6360, H.R. 6394, HEARINGS HELD IN HONOLULU, OAHU, HAWAII, Printed for the use of the Committee on Education and Labor |