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Senate and the House. Out of the four new positions which were requested to operate the motion picture or television section of the joint facilities, the House took 2 and the Senate took 2 of those positions and we have been able to maintain a balance between the House and the Senate as to the payroll for that facility.

Mr. BUSBEY. Thank you.

Mr. HORAN. I might add further that there has been some complaint on the part of some of my colleagues as to this item. I think the subcommittee might as well face the fact that if the employees we have in this joint facility were employed, for instance, by the Voice of America, they would be getting about 30 percent more than they are getting here. Has the Clerk of the House given that any consideration?

Mr. SNADER. I have, sir. As of yesterday I have a recommendation from the coordinator of the joint facilities, requesting that the radio personnel have their salaries adjusted upward, with a view to bringing them in line with the responsibilities that they now have. I felt that since I got that recommendation only yesterday, the proper procedure would be to request that adjustment through the House Administration Committee and ascertain their views on it. Mr. HORAN. I think you are completely right. I hope that we will have no items in this bill which will be subject to a point of order. We shall operate through the House Administration Committee, and as chairman of this subcommittee, I shall insist that we do. The only way we can maintain order is to follow the regular procedure. But I did want to point out that if the men working in this joint facility were being underpaid in comparison with other similar Government positions, we might as well face the fact.

Mr. BUSBEY. Mr. Chairman, this item will be under discussion, as I understand it, later in these hearings when the Coordinator will be before the committee.

Mr. HORAN. Yes; I have asked him to appear, because I am disturbed about this, Mr. Busbey, and I do want the matter to be fully discussed. I do not want, however, to embarrass the Clerk of the House, because he has his responsibilities, and he is trying to face them.

Mr. SNADER. I might say that in my 13 years of experience up here, I have always taken a dim view-although it was not my responsibility to take a view either way-I have always felt that increases. in salary in the House of Representatives, or the creation of new positions, should in the proper functioning of the legislative procedure, come through the House Administration Committee. And I can assure this committee that we have nothing in our recommendations which would be subject to a point of order because we were bypassing a legislative committee.

Mr. HORAN. We are going to avoid anything like that.

Mr. SNADER. May I proceed with the next item, Mr. Chairman? Mr. HORAN. Surely.

COMMITTEE EMPLOYEES

Mr. SNADER. For committee employees, including a sum not to exceed $302,215 for the Committee on Appropriations, we are requesting $1,966,720, for the fiscal year 1954, as compared with $1,760,000

appropriated for the fiscal year 1953, or an overall increase of $206,720. This increase of $206,720 is for an additional amount for the further use of the standing committees in their distribution of salaries allowed for the employment of both professional and clerical staff employees. Mr. BUSBEY. How does that amount compare with what was appropriated for this item before the Legislative Reorganization Act that was supposed to streamline the Congress and make it more. efficient and save money.

Mr. SNADER. In 1947, Mr. Busbey, it was approximately $425,000 for committee employees and with additional deficiency appropriations, it was brought up another $100,000 or approximately to $520,000.

Mr. BUSBEY. In other words, the amount requested for committee employees is about 400 percent above what it was before the Reorganization Act?

Mr. SNADER. Based on the figures in the Appropriation Act previously, that is true.

Mr. BUSBEY. I just wanted to bring that out because these reorganization acts and unification acts that are supposed to do so much and save so much money generally turn out as this one has. I was against the Reorganization Act at the time and I still think it was not the right legislation.

Mr. HORAN. We have, or are supposed to have, balanced powers in this democracy of ours, in this Republic that we are supposed to govern democratically. If we do not keep step in the legislative branch with advances made in the executive branch, I will say to my colleague, by properly implementing those of us on the Appropriations Committee with assistance, we cannot hold down these 1,400-percent increases in the State Department, for instance, which some of us feel have given us additional liabilities rather than advantages.

We have been starving the legislative branch. I feel in this House of Representatives that it is about time that we increased this item, if you will permit me, much more than it is today, so that you and I can look at these figures with a clear eye rather than blindly. It is about time that we properly implemented our subcommittees on appropriations so that we will know what we are doing rather than to attempt to do it politically.

You see, theoretically, neither the judiciary nor the legislative branch are of a political party. We are supposed to be of the various parties in the legislative. We are appropriating now not for the Republicans or the Democrats or the Independents in this country; we are appropriating for the House of Representatives and we begin by agreeing it is made up of three parties. And as for the judiciary, God help us if that ever becomes partisan.

So that this item, Mr. Busbey, is a very, very vital item. I think you are in full agreement with that. And if it has been increased 400 percent, thank God.

Mr. BUSBEY. I think I should observe that certainly there was nothing partisan in the remarks that I made.

Mr. HORAN. Oh, no. I was trying to point out the importance of this item. Let us not contest it.

Mr. SNADER. The figure in the estimates for 1954 represents an assumption that every legislative committee will employ the total number of employees they are authorized to employ under the Legislative Reorganization Act. The $206,000 represents the difference

between what was appropriated or what was requested for 1953 as opposed to what is being requested in 1954.

In other words, in justifying this figure we must assume that every committee although they have not done so as of this date has the authority or the right to employ a full complement of clerks under their statutory limitations. So we are asking for that amount of money; or that amount of money was asked last year, which would represent a full complement of 185 employees.

The Committee on Appropriations' payroll (lump sum) as of March 31, 1953, totaled 43 employees and $299,195.50 gross per annum. Mr. HORAN. That is exclusive of investigators?

Mr. SNADER. Yes. That is a separate fund.

For the other 18 standing committees we are estimating a gross amount of $1,658,374 (exclusive of the two messengers employed by the Committee on Ways and Means, amounting to $6,131), which is based upon the assumption of 185 positions; 10 for each committee, with the exception of the Committee on the Judiciary, which has 13 positions and the Committee on Armed Services, which has been authorized 12 positions.

As stated the estimate for these 185 positions is $1,658,374, or an average of $8,964 each. The law authorizes basic salaries ranging from $5,000 to $8,000 for each professional position and not to exceed $8.000 basic for each clerical position, but with the increase pay acts now in effect, it is possible under the law for each position, professional or clerical, to pay the full gross amount of $11,646 per annum. Although quite a few positions pay this maximum rate of salary, it is not expected that all positions will do so.

It may be advisable at this point to insert in the record the following table showing the number of professional and clerical staff employees employed by each of these 18 standing committees, as of March 31, 1953, totaling 145 employees out of a possible total of 185.

Mr. HORAN. If there is no objection, we will insert the table referred to in the record.

(The matter referred to follows:)

Personnel of standing committees as of Mar. 31, 1953 (exclusive of the Committee on Appropriations, House of Representatives)

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Mr. SNADER. As of March 31, 1953, the total annual gross salary of these 18 standing committees (145 employees) amounted to $1,249,476.44, or an avergge of $8,617, for each employee, both professional and clerical.

The committee has gone along since the Reorganization Act of 1946 became effective, with the proposition of providing funds for the maximum number of positions possible (185) at an average salary, and to provide adequate funds for additions to the staffs as the various committees may decide. Incidentally, all salary rates are fixed by each committee under the law and must also be approved by the Committee on House Administration.

Our estimate for 1954 amounting to $1,658,374, for these 18 standing committees was based upon 185 positions with an overall average of $8,964 each. This estimate was put in intentionally higher in relation to the current employment and salaries so that your committee could consider what figure to approve.

There is, of course, no way of stating definitely at this time just how much money will be required by these positions, except, that it is believed that the appropriation should be based on a maximum of 185 positions with an overall gross salary which should give sufficient leeway for reasonably expected personnel and salary changes.

OFFICE OF THE SERGEANT AT ARMS

For the Office of the Sergeant at Arms, $384,045, the same as appropriated for the current fiscal year 1953, there being no change in the paragraph.

Mr. HORAN. We will have Mr. Russell before us, as we do have a problem in connection with parking which may require some adjustments in these figures.

OFFICE OF THE DOORKEEPER

Mr. SNADER. For the office of the doorkeeper the estimate for 1954 is $652,260, as compared with $651,970, appropriated for 1953, or an increase of $290. The amount of our estimate includes $1,595, additional gross compensation for the 2 assistant floor managers of telephones (one for the minority), at the basic salary rates of $500, each, as authorized by House Resolution No. 136, adopted February 9, 1953, less $1,305, excessive amount appropriated for the fiscal year 1953, for salaries of 50 House pages. In submitting our estimates for the current fiscal year 1953, the amount requested for pages' salaries was based on having the amount appropriated and available on the basis of a full year, retaining, however, the existing limitation as provided by law, that the salaries of pages shall continue until the end of the month during which the Congress adjourns sine die, or recesses, or the 14th day after such adjournment or recess, whichever is the later date.

The estimate, however, was reduced by $70,000, and the amount appropriated was on the basis of 7 months, instead of a full year. This reduced figure should have been $71,305. In other words, an excessive amount of $1,305, was appropriated on account of pages' salaries for 1953, on a 7 months' basis. Therefore, taking this latter figure into consideration and the figure of $1,595 additional compen

sation as specified, will leave a net increase of $295, required for 1954, as compared with the amount papropriated for the current fiscal year

1953.

SPECIAL AND MINORITY EMPLOYEES

For six minority employees, $54,685; the same as appropriated for 1953, there being no change in the paragraph.

OFFICE OF MAJORITY FLOOR LEADER

For the office of the majority floor leader, including $2,000, for the official expenses of the majority leader, $46,755; the same as appropriated for 1953. However, this figure should now be revised to read $45,990, or a decrease amounting to $765, and the language of the paragraph should be changed to include compensation for the employment of a secretary at the basic salary rate of $6,000 per annum, in lieu of an "assistant legislative clerk" and a "clerk" at the basic salary rates of $3,000 per annum, each, as authorized by House Resolution No. 206, adopted April 15, 1953. This change results in a net saving of $765 gross per annum, and our total estimate for the paragraph for the fiscal year 1954, should be changed accordingly. Mr. HORAN. Will you explain that decrease.

Mr. SNADER. The majority leader, in effect, traded in 2 positions for 1. He vacated, or we did away with 2 statutory positions in his office and created 1. As a result of that exchange, there was a net saving of $765 in gross salary.

Mr. HORAN. Thank you; please continue.

OFFICE OF MINORITY FLOOR LEADER

Mr. SNADER. For the office of the minority floor leader, $36,000, as compared with $35,380, appropriated for 1953, or an increase of $620. House Resolution No. 87, adopted January 14, 1953, vacated the positions of legislative clerk, clerk, and messenger in the office of the minority floor leader, at the basic salary rates of $3,060, $3,000, and $1,560, respectively, but, in lieu thereof, provided for the payment of compensation of 2 or more employees for the minority floor leader to be appointed by him at the basic rates of compensation totaling not more than $7,620 per annum. This revised setup in all probability will not require any additional funds but, in view of the fact that a lump-sum item has been set up for the employment of additional personnel, instead of specific statutory salaries, there is a possibility that the total amount required could exceed the existing appropriation and in order to be on the safe side and have sufficient funds available to meet such a situation we increased our total overall estimate for 1954 by $620.

The next immediate paragraph as well as the third following paragraph as contained in the regular budget estimates should be eliminated. These 2 paragraphs provide first, for the employment of 2 messengers, 1 in the majority caucus room and one in the minority caucus room, to be appointed by the majority and minority whips, respectively, at $6,655, which amount was appropriated for the current fiscal year 1953; secondly, for the employment of 2 clerks, 1 for the majority whip and 1 for the minority whip, $10,670, which amount was appropriated for the current fiscal year 1953. As stated these two

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