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ECONOMY IN GOVERNMENT PROCURE-
MENT AND PROPERTY MANAGEMENT,

HEARINGS

BEFORE THE

SUBCOMMITTEE ON ECONOMY IN GOVERNMENT

OF THE

JOINT ECONOMIC COMMITTEE
CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES

NINETIETH CONGRESS

FIRST SESSION

87-847

NOVEMBER 27, 28, 29, 30, AND DECEMBER 8, 1967

Printed for the use of the Joint Economic Committee

U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE

WASHINGTON: 1968

For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office
Washington, D.C. 20402 Price $1.75

JOINT ECONOMIC COMMITTEE

(Created pursuant to sec. 5(a) of Public Law 304, 79th Cong.)

SENATE

WILLIAM PROXMIRE, Wisconsin, Chairman
WRIGHT PATMAN, Texas, Vice Chairman

JOHN SPARKMAN, Alabama
J. W. FULBRIGHT, Arkansas
HERMAN E. TALMADGE, Georgia
STUART SYMINGTON, Missouri
ABRAHAM RIBICOFF, Connecticut
JACOB K. JAVITS, New York
JACK MILLER, Iowa
LEN B. JORDAN, Idaho
CHARLES H. PERCY, Illinois

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
RICHARD BOLLING, Missouri

HALE BOGGS, Louisiana

HENRY S. REUSS, Wisconsin

MARTHA W. GRIFFITHS, Michigan

WILLIAM S. MOORHEAD, Pennsylvania
THOMAS B. CURTIS, Missouri
WILLIAM B. WIDNALL, New Jersey

DONALD RUMSFELD, Illinois
W. E. BROCK 3D, Tennessee

JOHN R. STARK, Executive Director
JAMES W. KNOWLES, Director of Research

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CONTENTS

Proxmire, Hon. William, chairman of Subcommittee on Economy in
Government: Opening remarks...

Reprint of article from Wall St. Journal, November 27, 1967.
Announcement of hearings, list of witnessses, and scheduled times of
appearance. -

Letter to Comptroller General Elmer B. Staats- - - -

CHRONOLOGICAL LIST OF WITNESSES

Staats, Hon. Elmer B., Comptroller General of the United States, accom-

panied by Frank H. Weitzel, Assistant Comptroller General; Charles M.

Bailey, Deputy Director, Defense Division, GAO; William Newman,

Director, Defense Division, GAO; Stephen P. Haycock, Assistant

General Counsel; James Hammond, Associate Director, Defense Division,

GAO; Kenneth Fasick, Associate Director, Defense Division; and

Gregory Ahart, Deputy Director, Civil Division..

Morris, Hon. Thomas D., Assistant Secretary of Defense (Installations and

Logistics), accompanied by Paul H. Riley, Deputy Assistant Secretary

(Supply and Services); John M. Malloy, Deputy Assistant Secretary

(Procurement); Gen. A. T. Stanwix-Hay, Deputy Assistant Secretary

(Material); Lt. Gen. Earl G. Hedlund, Director, Defense Supply Agency;

G. G. Mullins, Director, Contract Support Services; Dr. R. A. Brooks

ASA (Installations and Logistics); also present: Albert F. Sanderson,

Deputy Chief, Materials Policy Division, National Resource Analysis

Center OEP; William B Petty, Director, Defense Contract Audit

Agency.

Dominick, Hon. Peter H., a U.S. Senator from the State of Colorado.

Minshall, Hon. William E., a Representative in Congress from the 23d

Congressional District of the State of Ohio_

Knott, Hon. Lawson B., Jr., Administrator, General Services Administra-

tion, accompanied by H. A. Abersfeller, Commissioner, Federal Supply

Service; Harry Van Cleve, General Counsel; Douglas E. Williams,

Commissioner, Transportation and Communications service; Willard L.

Johnson, Jr., Assistant Administrator for Administration; William A.

Schmidt, Commissioner, Public Buildings Service; John G. Harlan, Jr.,

Commissioner, Property Management and Disposal Service; and Joe E.

Moody, Deputy Administrator.

Brooke, Hon. Edward W., a U.S. Senator from the State of Massachusetts

Caveney, Lewis R., assistant to the vice president, Bryant Computer

Products, Division of Excell-O Corp., Walled Lake, Mich..

Hughes, Hon. Phillip S., Deputy Director of the Bureau of the Budget,

accompanied by Tim Russell, Office of Executive Management; Joe

Cunningham, Government Management Division..........

Gonzalez, Hon. Henry B., a U.S. Representative from the 20th Congres-

sional District of Texas..

Staats, Elmer B. [second appearance), Comptroller General of the United

States, accompanied by Frank H. Weitzel, Assistant Comptroller of the

United States; Charles M. Bailey, Deputy Director, Defense Division;

J. Edward Welch, Deputy General Counsel; Stephen P. Haycock,

Assistant General Counsel; Jerold K. Fasick, Associate Director,

Defense Division; James H. Hammond, Associate Director, Defense

Division; and Charles Kirby, Associate Director, Defense Division...

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