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Mr. JONAS. You won't know what to procure until the Bureau of Standards completes its research and comes up with the answer.

will you know what to procure? You are not equipped to do that. You are not a research agency. That is why the responsibility was placed on the Bureau of Standards. They have the research people, the scientists.

Mr. DWYER. The Bureau of Standards personnel will actually be developing standards and working on the compatibility problem. (The following was subsequently submitted for the record :)

CLARIFICATION OF ADP RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE NATIONAL BUREAU OF STANDARDS AND THE GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION

The National Bureau of Standards is responsible for the technical aspects of the Government-wide ADP program. This responsibility includes basic research and development of compatible programing languages (i.e., COBOL and FORTRAN), technical ADP standards such as the American Standard Code for Information Interchange, and equipment technology.

GSA has complimentary responsibilities of an operational nature which are directed toward the improved management and cost effectiveness of existing Government-wide ADP resources and effort. With this as an objective, major project areas have been established to improve the utilization of ADP resources (ADP sharing exchange and service area); to improve the acquisition and selection of ADP equipment (ADP contracting and procurement area); to develop and improve management information concerning ADP program status, trends, and performance (ADP management system area); to improve equipment maintenance, replacement, and disposal procedures; and collecting and providing to agencies (including NBS) comparative information on the operational performance of ADP equipment, software, and suppliers (technical assistance area). These latter areas are those providing the opportunity for early economies and management improvements throughout the Government.

Mr. JONAS. They are supposed to come up with the answer to what kind of data processing equipment we need; isn't that right?

Mr. DWYER. In this operational information we would be gathering, we will be getting together the information needed to assist them in determining what priority they should give to their standards effort. It would be a team effort in which we would be providing intelligence and information for them through the management information system. They would assign technical personnel to actually develop the technical and scientific information.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Mr. Jonas, this is an area we should not wait on. I would like to point out that just in the Government offices where these computers and computer resources are in place, fiscal 1964 to fiscal 1965, an additional $300 million was spent. The number of computers increased from 1,862 to 2,188 in 1 year.

Mr. JONAS. You did not just suddenly discover that. You have known that for a year or so.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Just since we started the sharing program a year ago as a result of the small staff that was authorized by this committee, 12 people across the country. In each one of several categories, contracted services up 27 percent, machine time up 15 percent, other services up 59 percent in 1 year. Unused machine time, up 28 percent in 1 year.

Mr. JONAS. Did you ask for more people in the regular bill?

Mr. GRIFFIN. We did not have the assignment from the Bureau of the Budget in the regular bill. This came as a result of the Presidential study for the items covered in the supplemental.

Mr. JONAS. Mr. Olsen says this bill contradicts what the President reported. I have not checked it.

Mr. Olsen of Montana.

Mr. GRIFFIN. There is nothing in the efforts of GSA which contradict because our assignments from BOB come directly from the Presidential study. The Comptroller General's study was also taken into account by the Presidential study.

Mr. DWYER. I have information from the GAO report of last Friday that I think is helpful. GAO said that it is important to develop and install an information system for these resons. The Government agencies were contracting $23 million this past year for computer time to commercial sources while Government time remained unused. Certain agencies were releasing models of equipment while other agencies were ordering the same models. Government agencies were installing computers while available computers of other agencies went unused, and Government agencies were installing the same kind of equipment being released by contractors. This is an example of the management information so necessary to make better decisions on behalf of the Government.

Mr. JONAS. You did not suddenly discover that.

Mr. Brooks said on the floor Thursday that GAO has issued a hundred reports to this same effect. Why do you suddenly have to get so excited here about two bills? We just completed one. Now you come in here with another in the face of legislation which seems to me to put the primary responsibility for the basic research that needs to be made on the Bureau of Standards. I do not think you ought to start consolidating and acting in this field until they come up with an answer and tell you what kind of system we need.

Mr. GRIFFIN. I think it should be pointed out we are procuring all the time. We are developing schedules every year. We have to develop as much information both from the manufacturers and other agencies as possible so we can get the very best arrangement from every manufacturer in the business. For a good example just this year in GSA, within the past 2 months, for our coming requirements, the GSA technicians under the direction of Mr. Turpin estimated $10 million for our equipment requirements for the next 5 years. I think the negotiations continued for several months. Our savings, Mr. Chairman, instead of $10 million we spent only about $6 million for that equipment.

Mr. EvINS. If there are no questions, we will pass on to the next item.

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Mr. EVINS. We will turn to "Operating expenses, Federal Supply Service," and insert pages 16 through 21 in the record.

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OPERATING EXPENSES, FEDERAL SUPPLY SERVICE

APPROPRIATION LANGUAGE

"For an additional amount for 'Operating expenses, Federal Supply Service', $3,510,000."

GENERAL STATEMENT

"This proposed supplemental appropriation is for additional supply support to the Department of Defense related to the current supply support buildup in Southeast Asia. The level now anticipated for fiscal year 1966 is substantially above that which can be financed with presently available funds" (quoted from House document).

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The following tabulation reflects the magnitude of estimated volumes and the financing required:

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