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CHRONOLOGICAL LIST OF WITNESSES

TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, AND THURSDAY, MARCH 5–7

Robert C. Weaver, Secretary, Department of Housing and Urban Development; accompanied by P. Ñ. Brownstein, Assistant Secretary for Mortgage Credit and FHA Commissioner; Ashley Foard, Deputy General Counsel; Charles M. Haar, Assistant Secretary for Metropolitan Development; Dwight A. Ink, Assistant Secretary for Administration; Thomas C. McGrath, Jr., General Counsel; William B. Ross, Deputy Under Secretary for Policy Analysis and Program Evaluation; H. Ralph Taylor, Assistant Secretary for Demonstrations and Intergovernmental Relations; Howard J. Wharton, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Renewal and Housing Assistance; and Robert C. Wood, Under Secretary---- 4, 21, 41 MONDAY, MARCH 11

Dwight D. Townsend, vice president and director of public affairs, Co-
operative League of the U.S.A...

George Sternlieb, professor, research director, Graduate School of Business,
Rutgers State University..

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125, 135

126

147

Edward W. Brooke, U.S. Senator from the State of Massachusetts.. Channing E. Phillips, president, Housing Development Corp., Washington, D.C..

Maco Stewart, chairman of the board, Stewart Title Co., Houston, Tex..

151

TUESDAY, MARCH 12

Andrew J. Biemiller, director, Department of Legislation, American Fed-
eration of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations; accompanied
by Nathaniel Goldfinger, director of research..

William L. Rafsky, president, National Association of Housing & Rede-
velopment Officials; accompanied by John D. Lange, executive director..
George Kassabaum, president-elect, American Institute of Architects;
accompanied by Jack Cohen, chairman, housing committee...
Q. V. Williamson, president, National Association of Real Estate Brokers;
accompanied by H. M. Michaux, Jr., general counsel; Daniel W. Spauld-
ing, board member; William Muse, board member_._

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 13

Edgar F. Kaiser, chairman, The President's Committee on Urban Housing; accompanied by Howard R. Moskof, Executive Director; and Lloyd Cutler, counsel..

Lloyd E. Clarke, president, National Association of Home Builders of the United States; accompanied by Nathaniel H. Rogg, executive vice president; Herbert S. Colton, general counsel; and Joseph B. McGrath, legislative counsel.____

Otto Kerner, chairman, National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorders.

THURSDAY, March 14

Walter P. Reuther, president, Industrial Union Department, AFL-CIO,
and president, United Automobile, Aerospace & Agricultural Implement
Workers of America, AFL-CIO; accompanied by Jack T. Conway,
executive director, Industrial Union Department, AFL-CIO, and David
Cohen, legislative representative, Industrial Union Department, AFL-
CIO..

Lon Worth Crow, Jr., vice president, Mortgage Bankers Association of
America; accompanied by Graham T. Northup, director of governmental
relations and John M. Wetmore, director of research_____.
Eugene L. Stewart, president, Sursum Corda, Inc., Washington, D.C....

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205

244

258

263

288

353

367

401

412

FRIDAY, MARCH 15

Andrew Heiskell, chairman, Urban America Inc., and William Slayton, executive vice president.

Fred C. Tucker, Jr., chairman, Realtors' Washington Committee, and W. P. Bridges, Jr., chairman, subcommittee on mortgage finance, accompanied by: John C. Williamson, director, department of governmental relations..

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441

452, 457

Raleigh W. Greene, Jr., president, First Federal Savings & Loan Associa-
tion, St. Petersburg, Fla.; chairman, legislation committee, National
League of Insured Savings Associations...
Frederick A. Babson, chairman, Board of Supervisors, Fairfax County,
Va., representing National Association of Counties; accompanied by
C. D. Ward, general counsel; Jerry Laughlin, legislative assistant..
Robert L. Williams, executive director, American Institute of Planners...

MONDAY, MARCH 18

Robert C. Moot, Administrator, Small Business Administration; accom-
panied by William Gennetti, Deputy General Counsel.__
T. Lawrence Jones, president, American Insurance Association; accom-
panied by Sterling T. Tooker, president, the Travelers Insurance Cos.;
William O. Bailey, vice president, Aetna Life and Casualty; and James
F. Wyatt, vice president, the Hartford Insurance Group---

H. Richard Heilman, president, Insurance Co. of North America; accom-
panied by Bertram C. Dedman, general counsel..
Don De Bolt, associate director, Menswear Retailers of America.---

TUESDAY, MARCH 19

Richard J. Hughes, Governor of the State of New Jersey-
Joseph M. Barr, mayor of the City of Pittsburgh and president of
the United States Conference of Mayors; accompanied by Robert
Pease, executive director of the Allegheny Conference; Earl Onque, Model
Cities Coordinator in Pittsburgh; Robert Walter, staff United States
Conference of Mayors...

Wallace M. Smith, manager, Mid-Atlantic office, American Mutual In-
surance Alliance; accompanied by F. A. Holderman, manager, legislative
department; Raymond R. Kisch, secretary, property insurance com-
mittee..

Vestal Lemmon, president, National Association of Independent Insurers;
accompanied by Roger Dove, vice president__.
Richard L. Smock, manager, legislative department, National Associa-
tion of Mutual Insurance Cos...

WEDNESDAY, March 20

Robert F. Kennedy, U.S. Senator from the State of New York....
Joseph B. Tydings, U.S. Senator from the State of Maryland_.
Carl Stokes, mayor, Cleveland, Ohio; accompanied by Leo A. Jackson, city
councilman; George J. Gravner, president, Greater Cleveland Growth
Association; Miles Moran, vice chairman, Cleveland Metropolitan Hous-
ing Authority; James M. Carney, chairman, Greater Cleveland Growth
Corp.; John Fockler, vice president, Cleveland Development Founda-
tion; Howard M. Metzenbaum, president, APCOA; Edwin J. Sealy,
president, Cleveland Insurance Board; James I. Huston, president,
PATH Association; Paul A. Unger, president, the Unger Co.; Robert
P. Madison, Madison, Madison & Madison, architects; Allen Fonoroff,
professor of city planning, Case-Western Reserve University; John C.
Dowd, Squires, Sanders & Dempsey; Sidney Spector, managing partner,
National Housing Associates; Irving M. Kriegsfeld, executive director,
PATH Association..

John A. Baker, Assistant Secretary of Agriculture; accompanied by
Howard Bertsch, Administrator, Farmers Home Administration..
Allan Oakley Hunter, chairman, Commission of Housing and Community
Development, State of California; accompanied by Charles R. Le
Menager, director, Department of Housing and Community Develop-
ment, State of California....

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498

510

514

533

534

541

553

599

605

608

616

647

684

716

728

THURSDAY, MARCH 21

Harrison A. Williams, Jr., U.S. Senator from the State of New Jersey
Joseph S. Clark, U.S. Senator from the State of Pennsylvania...
Paul H. Douglas, chairman, National Commission on Urban Problems-
Thomas R. Byrne, mayor, St. Paul, Minn., and member of the Executive
Committee, National League of Cities; accompanied by Daniel A. Klas,
assistant corporation counsel, City of St. Paul, Minn., and Robert E.
Josten, legislative assistant, National League of Cities...
Mortimer Zuckerman, senior vice president, Cabot, Cabot & Forbes
Co., Boston, Mass.

Robert F. Kerley, vice president, University of Kentucky, representing the
American Council on Education, the American Association of Junior
Colleges, the Association of American Colleges, the American Associa-
tion for Higher Education, the American Association of State Colleges
and Universities, and the National Association of State Universities
and Land-Grant Colleges, accompanied by John F. Morse, American
Council on Education...

FRIDAY, MARCH 22

Herman E. Talmadge, U.S. Senator from the State of Georgia. -
James L. Bentley, president, National Association of Insurance Commis-
sioners; accompanied by Peyton Ford, legal counsel; Nelson Parker, com-
missioner of insurance for the State of Virginia, and chairman, select
committee, NAIC; and David J. Dykhouse, commissioner of insurance
for the State of Michigan...

Nathaniel S. Keith, president, National Housing Conference, Inc..
Louis E. Meyers, vice president, National Parking Association; accompa-
nied by Joseph L. Miller, staff_

J. J. Barr, president, American Water Works Co., Inc., Wilmington, Del.,
chairman of the executive committee, National Water Co. Conference
Berkeley G. Burrell, president, National Business League, accompanied
by Charles T. Williams, vice chairman, executive committee, and
Matthew K. Clarke, associate director, Project Outreach, NBL...
Richard L. Fullerton, president, American Institute of Housing Consult-
ants; accompanied by Charles M. Gunther, immediate past president__
Blue Carstenson, assistant legislative director, National Farmers Union.

ALPHABETICAL LIST OF WITNESSES

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814

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883

Babson, Frederick A., representing the National Association of Counties__
Bailey, William O., vice president, Aetna Life & Casualty__
Baker, John A., Assistant Secretary of Agriculture---
Barr, J. J., president, American Water Works Company-

490

514

716

850

Barr, Joseph M., mayor of the city of Pittsburgh and president of the
United States Conference of Mayors..

553

Bentley, James L., president National Association of Insurance Commis-
sioners.

Bertsch, Howard, Administrator, Farmers Home Administration___
Biemiller, Andrew J., director, Department of Legislation, American
Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations
Bridges, W. P., Jr., chairman, Subcommittee on Mortgage Finance,
Realtors' Washington Committee__

Brooke, Edward W., U.S. Senator from the State of Massachusetts.
Browstein, P. N., Ássistant Secretary for Mortgage Credit and FHA
Commissioner, Department of Housing and Urban Development_-.
Burrell, Berkeley G., president, National Business League..
Byrne, Thomas R., mayor, St. Paul, Minn___

Carney, James M., chairman, Greater Cleveland Growth Corp-.
Carstenson, Blue, assistant legislative director, National Farmers Union.
Clark, Joseph S., U.S. Senator from the State of Pennsylvania..
Clarke, Matthew, K. associate director, National Business League...
Clarke, Lloyd E., president, National Association of Home Builders of the
United States..

Cohen, David, legislative representative, Industrial Union Department,
AFL-CIO..

814

716

167

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.4, 21, 41

863

778

684

883

740

863

288

367

Cohen, Jack, chairman, Housing Committee, American Institute of
Architects--

Colton, Herbert S., general counsel, National Association of Home Builders
of the United States..

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Conway, Jack T., executive director, Industrial Union Department,
AFL-CIO..

Crow, Lon Worth, Jr., vice president, Mortgage Bankers Association of
America...

DeBolt, Don, associate director, Menswear Retailers of America__
Dedman, Bertram C., general counsel, Insurance Co. of North America_
Douglas, Paul H., chairman, National Commission on Urban Problems.
Dove, Roger, vice president, National Association of Independent Insurers
Dowd, John C..

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288

367

401

534

533

747

605

684

814

4, 21, 41

684

Dykhouse, David J., commissioner of insurance for the State of Michigan_
Foard, Ashley, Deputy General Counsel, Department of Housing and
Urban Development---

Fockler, John, vice president, Cleveland Development Foundation_.
Fonoroff, Allen, professor of city planning, Case-Western Reserve Uni-
versity

684

814

Ford, Peyton, legal counsel, National Association of Insurance Commissioners

Fullerton, Richard L., president, American Institute of Housing Consultants..

874

Gennetti, William, Deputy General Counsel, Small Business Administration...

510

Goldfinger, Nathaniel, director of research, American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations_

167

Grabner, George J., president, Greater Cleveland Growth Association.
Greene, Raleigh W., Jr., chairman, Legislative Committee, National
League of Insured Savings Associations.

647

467

Haar, Charles M., Assistant Secretary for Metropolitan Development, Department of Housing and Urban Development__

4

Heilman, H. Richard, president, Insurance Co. of North America...
Heiskell, Andrew, chairman, Urban America___

533

441

Holderman, F. A., manager, Legislative Department, American Mutual
Insurance Alliance...

599

Hughes, Richard J., Governor of the State of New Jersey

541

Hunter, Allan Oakley, chairman, Commission of Housing and Community
Development, State of California.

728

Huston, James I., president, PATH Association

647

Ink, Dwight A., Assistant Secretary for Administration, Department of
Housing and Urban Development_

4

Jackson, Leo A., city councilman, Cleveland, Ohio.......
Jones, T. Lawrence, president, American Insurance Association.
Josten, Robert E., legislative assistant, National League of Cities.

647

514

778

Kaiser, Edgar F., chairman, the President's Committee on Urban Housing-
Kassabaum, George, president-elect, American Institute of Architects__
Keith, Nathaniel S., president, National Housing Conference, Inc. - -
Kennedy, Robert F., U.S. Senator from the State of New York..
Kerley, Robert F., vice president, University of Kentucky....

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244

831

616

805

Kerner, Otto, chairman, National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorders..

353

Kisch, Raymond R., secretary, Property Insurance Committee, American
Mutual Insurance Alliance.

599

Klas, Daniel A., assistant corporation counsel, city of St. Paul, Minn..
Kriegsfeld, Irving M., executive director, PATH Association_
Lange, John D., executive director, National Association of Housing & Re-
development Officials

778

684

205

Laughlin, Jerry, legislative assistant, National Association of Counties_ Le Menager, Charles R., director, Department of Housing and Community Development, State of California...

490

728

Lemmon, Vestal, president, National Association of Independent Insurers
McGrath, Joseph B., legislative counsel, National Association of Home
Builders of the United States__.

605

288

McGrath, Thomas C., Jr., General Counsel, Department of Housing and
Urban Development__.

Meyers, Louis E., vice president, National Parking Association.............

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