SCIENTIFIC MANPOWER UTILIZATION, 1967

HEARINGS

BEFORE THE

SPECIAL SUBCOMMITTEE 0^

THE UTILIZATION OF SCIENTIFIC MANPOWER

OF THE

COMMITTEE ON

LABOR AND PUBLIC WELFARE

UNITED STATES SENATE

NINETIETH CONGltESS

FIRST SESSION

ON

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A BILL TO MOBILIZE AND UTILIZE THE SCIENTIFIC AND

ENGINEERING MANPOWER OF THE NATION TO EMPLOY

SYSTEMS ANALYSIS AND SYSTEMS ENGINEERING TO HELP

TO FULLY EMPLOY THE NATION'S MANPOWER RESOURCES

TO SOLVE NATIONAL PROBLEMS

S. 467

A BILL TO PROVIDE FOR A STUDY WITH RESPECT TO THE

UTILIZATION OF SYSTEMS ANALYSIS AND MANAGEMENT

TECHNIQUES IN DEALING WITH PROBLEMS RELATING TO

UNEMPLOYMENT, PUBLIC WELFARE, EDUCATION, AND

SIMILAR PROBLEMS

JANUARY 24, 25, 26, 27; MARCH 29, AND 30, 1967

Printed for the use of the Committee on Labor and Public Welfare

COMMITTEE ON LABOE AND PUBLIC WELFARE

LISTER HILL, Alabama, Chairman

WAYNE MORSE, Oregon JACOB K. JAVITS, New York

RALPH YARBOROUGH, Texas WINSTON L. PROUTY, Vermont

JOSEPH S. CLARK, Pennsylvania PETER H. DOMINICK, Colorado

JENNINGS RANDOLPH, West Virginia GEORGE MURPHY, California

HARRISON A. WILLIAMS, Jr., New Jersej' PAUL J. FANNIN, Arizona

CLAIBORNE PELL, Rhode Island ROBERT P. GRIFFIN, Michigan

EDWARD M. KENNEDY, Massachusetts

GAYLORD NELSON, Wisconsin

ROBERT F. KENNEDY, New York

Stewart E. Mcclure, Chief Clerk

John S. Forsythe, General Counsel
Stephen Kurzman, Minority Counsel

Special Subcommittee On The Utilization Of Scientific Manpower

GAYLORD NELSON, Wisconsin, Chairman

JOSEPH S. CLARK, Pennsylvania JACOB K. JAVITS, New York

William C. Smith, Counsel
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CONTENTS

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CHRONOLOGICAL LIST OF WITNESSES

January 24, 1967

Morse, Hon. F. Bradford, a Representative in Congress from the State

of Massachusetts 14

Harr, Karl G., Jr., president, Aerospace Industries Association, accom-

panied by Ward Dennis, Northrup Corp., and H. L. Wheeler, North

American Aviation 34

Roberts, E. R., vice president (development), Aerojet-General Corp., El

Monte, Calif 62

January 25, 1967

Scott, Hon. Hugh, a U.S. Senator from the State of Pennsylvania 69

Ramo, Dr. Simon, vice chairman of the board, TRW, Inc., Cleveland,

Ohio . 74

Lekachman, Dr. Robert, chairman, Department of Economics, State

University of New York, Stony Brook, Long Island, New York, N.Y. _ 90

January 26, 1967

Kimball, Dr. Charles N., president, Midwest Research Institute, Kansas

City, Mo 97

Schon, Dr. Donald A., president, Organization for Social and Technical

Innovation, Cambridge, Mass 115

Grogan, Paul, Director, Office of State Technical Services, Department

of Commerce, accompanied by Martin Robbins, Assistant Director for

Special Programs 128

January 27, 1967

Rowen, Henry, president, Rand Corp., Santa Monica, Calif 161

Geyer, Prof. John C, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md 171

Archibald, Miss Kathleen, assistant director, Public Policy Research

Organization, University of California, Irvine, Calif 178

Wallick, Frank, Washington legislative representative, United Auto-

mobile, Aerospace & Agricultural Implement Workers of America,

AFL-CIO, on behalf of Leonard Woodcock, vice president, United

Automobile, Aerospace & Agricultural Implement Workers of America,

AFL-CIO ■ 187

March 29, 1967

Barber, Arthur W., Deputy Assistant Secretary (Arms and Trade Control),

International Security Affairs, Department of Defense 193

Weiler, Dean E. T., Krannert Graduate School of Industrial Administra-

tion, Purdue University, accompanied by Daniel Alpert, dean, the Grad-

uate College, University of Illinois 202

Alpert, Daniel, dean, Graduate College, University of Illinois, Urbana,

111 jr__- 206

Nelson, Robert, director, public sector projects, Raytheon Co., Lexington,

Mass 213