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Capitol Police-History of Overtime Expenses, January 1976 through January

1979

January, 1976....
April, 1976..
July, 1976.
September, 1976.
January, 1977
April, 1977.
July, 1977.
September, 1977
January, 1978.
April, 1978..

July, 1978

October, 1978.
January, 1979.

388,070

268,193

433,392

93,736

Total

2,689,186

Office of the Doorkeeper-History of Publications Distribution Overtime, January 1976 Through January 1979

January, 1976..
April, 1976..
May, 1976..
July, 1976..
September, 1976.
October, 1976.
January, 1978.
March, 1978.
April, 1978.

May, 1978

June, 1978.
August, 1978.
September, 1978.

$114,791 150,044

Total

230,533

254,031

63,297

175,902

171,218

174,759

171,220

$3,005 5,666

5,604

2,755

16,116

11,156

18,400

2,996

29,123

11,959

2,808

3,713

40,200

153,501

Mr. HENSHAW. I had no overtime pay in the Clerk's Office. We are going to run through the Clerk's operation and then get the individual offices, the Sergeant at Arms, and the Doorkeeper. This would summarize the overtime of the Capitol Police and the Doorkeeper. I would be delighted to yield to them if you have a question for them at this time.

Mr. RUDD. I think we can handle this the way the chairman has suggested. That will do the job. I have no other questions.

FISCAL YEAR 1980 INCREASE AFTER CONSIDERING SECTION 311
(P.L. 95-391)

Mr. BENJAMIN. Thank you. I have two questions.

One, in your opening statement you indicate that the increase is $26.4 million. Then you further qualify that by saying the increase over the current fiscal year is not quite as high as it first appears. I recall that your predecessor used this phraseology too, by first adding the supplementals and then taking the difference after you add the supplementals and saying it is not quite as high.

My specific question here is this: Is the differential based on what you were appropriated in fiscal year 1979, or is it after section 311 of the Act was applied to your appropriation?

Mr. HENSHAW. Yes, sir. To answer your question, that is before 311, before a reduction of that amount.

Mr. BENJAMIN. In other words, you took what the actual dollar appropriation was, added the supplemental, and then subtracted that from the fiscal year 1980 request. After that calculation, you then say the increase is minimal, only $26 million. However, if I understand your statement, or at least perhaps a previous issue of your statement, you indicated under 311 you not only saved 5 percent, you saved 6 percent. Shouldn't that, then be the level that we are really going from, whether you include or don't include the supplementals, in attempting to really distinguish the difference between the 1979 appropriation and the 1980 request?

Mr. HENSHAW. The 1979 appropriation we treat as a separate unit because it is an estimate, not knowing what we are going to end up with.

Mr. BENJAMIN. You do have the 1979 actual?

Mr. HENSHAW. Yes, sir, to date.

Mr. BENJAMIN. So that gives you some idea if you look back at the history and workings of your office.

Mr. HENSHAW. Yes, and the estimates we make on that basis, looking at the first quarter expenditures, it appears now that there is going to be a 6 percent savings. I pick that up here in just a few minutes in my testimony, to try to explain how we do that.

Mr. BENJAMIN. But even if you don't consider the 6 percent, you still have to contend with section 311, the 5 percent withholding. You are not going to exceed that unless this committee and the Congress gives you permission to do so.

Mr. HENSHAW. Yes, sir.

Mr. BENJAMIN. So consequently, when you start talking differences, isn't your increase really based on the level of spending, the maximum level of spending that you have in fiscal year 1979, instead of the 1979 appropriation, to give us an idea of what we are increasing?

Mr. HENSHAW. We are looking at the total figure for fiscal 1979. Mr. BENJAMIN. You said you were?

Mr. HENSHAW. Yes.

Mr. BENJAMIN. If we took the 5 percent off the 1979 figure, then the difference between 1979 and 1980 would be greater than you actually give us here. I would ask for the record that you actually distinguish, one, the difference between 1979 and 1980 after applying 311, and then give us a second table indicating the 1979 minus the 5 percent cut plus supplementals, and then show us the differ

ence.

Mr. LAWLER. We can prepare that chart for the record.

Mr. BENJAMIN. It may be a question of semantics for some, but obviously we are talking about a great number of dollars here and we ought to be able to analyze it properly.

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