Colonel KIBLER. That is to provide messhalls and the training for the summer field camp.

Mr. RIVERS. That is where they go to summer field camp?
Colonel KIBLER. That is right.

Mr. RIVERS. Is that a place where they hold maneuvers in that area?

Colonel KIBLER. Yes, maneuvers have been held there in the past. Mr. RIVERS. The same thing for Fort Stewart, Ga.?

Colonel KIBLER. Yes, sir.

Mr. RIVERS. Or this place out in Montana?

Colonel KIBLER. Those are all the sites where the National Guard from the State or States surrounding it go for their 15-day annual active duty for training.

Mr. RIVERS. In all the United States, you only have six?

Colonel KIBLER. No sir, there are more than that, but these are the

ones

Mr. RIVERS. I mean that needs work done on them?

Colonel KIBLER. Oh, yes, sir, there are more than that.

Mr. RIVERS. Why don't you put them in the bill?

Colonel KIBLER. Sir, there is a limit as to how far we can go in the dollars we have set up.

Mr. RIVERS. This looks to me like you are not letting them know you are still thinking about them. That isn't fair, do you think? Colonel KIBLER. I think I understand what you mean, sir.

Mr. VAN ZANDT. I think it is fair to state here, Mr. Chairman, some of these camps are already fully equipped to fill the billet that has been assigned them.

Colonel KIBLER. We are attempting, Mr. Van Zandt, to hit the ones we consider have the greatest need.

Mr. VAN ZANDT. That is right.

Take at Indiantown Gap, Pa., or upstate New York, the facilities there are fairly good.

Colonel KIBLER. That is right, sir.

Mr. RIVERS. In response to my inquiry and in response to Mr. Van Zandt, the rest of them that you don't have in here, are they all in pretty good shape, that you don't need a little bit of work done to them?

Colonel KIBLER. They all have some work that is needed, sir.

As I said to Mr. Van Zandt, we have tried to pick those which we consider have the greatest need at the moment, and in which we feel, with the dollars we can put into that type of thing will do the most good.

Mr. RIVERS. You could use much more than this, though, couldn't you?

Colonel KIBLER. Yes, sir.

Mr. RIVERS. If you had your way, how many more would you have, 50 or 75?

Colonel KIBLER. I don't believe there are that many involved, but these facilities here, Mr. Chairman, are increments of what will become from year to year-at Fort Stewart, in 1958, you saw fit to authorize the first increment of construction. The same way at Camp Shelby. Now we are moving, in addition to Camp Shelby and Fort

Stewart, to Camp Ripley in Minnesota, and to the small camp at Fort Harrison, Helena, Mont.

Mr. RIVERS. Where is Fort Stewart?

Colonel KIBLER. Outside of Savannah, Ga.

Mr. RIVERS. What area does that cover?

Colonel KIBLER. We bring troops in there from all of the 3d Army, and this next summer there will be some coming in from the 2d Army. Mr. RIVERS. 2d Army?

Colonel KIBLER. Yes, sir.

Mr. RIVERS. That is strictly a National Guard?

Colonel KIBLER. No, sir. We are only occupying a portion of a Regular Army Establishment there, sir, but we have a portion which is set aside for our use, in which we are providing these facilities which are not there as available to us.

Mr. RIVERS. IS Fort Stewart a permanent installation?

Colonel KIBLER. Yes, sir; it is.

Mr. VAN ZANDT. Isn't it true, also, each of these camps is a potential member mobilization center in the event of an emergency?

Colonel KIBLER. That is right, sir. All of them were occupied during World War II, in one degree or another.

Mr. RIVERS. That finishes the armories.

Any other questions on the armory?

Thank you, Colonel.

You have been very responsive to our inquiry.
Furnish those lists for us.

Colonel KIBLER. We will do so.

Mr. RIVERS. The committee is very pleased now to take up the Air Force, in keeping with our announcement yesterday, the Air National Guard.

Mr. RIVERS. We have got our old friend, General Wilson.

General Wilson, before you smile us out of all your projects, you don't have many; do you?

General WILSON. No, sir; not many this year, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. RIVERS. Did you work yourself out of business last year, like the witness preceding you?

General WILSON. No, sir; I wouldn't say worked ourselves out of business, but this year is an unusually small year for construction, sir.

Mr. RIVERS. Well, have you given your name to the reporter?

General WILSON. Yes, sir.

AIR GUARD

Mr. RIVERS. Mr. Slatinshek, are you ready?

Mr. SLATINSHEK. Yes, sir.

General Wilson has a prepared statement, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. RIVERS. Go ahead, General.

General WILSON. Mr. Chairman, members of the committee, I would like to thank you for the opportunity to discuss the fiscal year 1961 Air National Guard construction authorization program. In

order to acquaint you with our operation, however, I will first discuss our progress to date and then tell you of our plans for the future.

The Air National Guard construction program provides facilities which support the operating programs established by Headquarters, U.S. Air Force. If possible, our facility needs are met by utilizing available military facilities. Where this is not possible, we must either lease or construct new facilities. Our aim has been to develop compact, economical, operating plants which will give us a maximum return in training for every tax dollar spent. We think we have succeeded in this endeavor.

I have a few charts, Mr. Chairman, I thought you might be interested in.

This is a photograph of the guard facilities at Louisville, Ky., and will serve to acquaint you with the typical complex we have standardized on where existing facilities are not available. This particular base has been under construction for the past 4 years and will be finished upon completion of the building you can see in the background. The facilities include ramp space; a hangar; crash and structural fire station; supply and issue building; motor vehicle shop and parking area; paint, oil, and dope storage buildings; fuel storage; operations and training building; private vehicle parking area; and the necessary roads and utilities. This represents an investment of about $3 million and, we feel, is an excellent compromise between cost, effectiveness, and efficiency.

Mr. RIVERS. This is a typical one?

General WILSON. Yes, sir; this is typical. These are constructed under the standard plans and specifications for air guard facilities. Mr. RIVERS. It is built in increments?

General WILSON. Yes, sir; it is built in increments based on our requirements.

Mrs. ST. GEORGE. Could I ask General Wilson about the cost?
General WILSON. That is what I am getting at next.

This represents an investment of about $3 million, and we feel is an excellent compromise between cost, effectiveness, and efficiency.

Mr. MORRIS. Is that actual construction or is that just a plan? General WILSON. This is an actual photograph of the construction. This has been in the past 3-year authorizations.

Mr. MORRIS. All right.

42

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B. Non-flying bases: Aircraft control and warning, radio relay, and Comm.
Const. Squadrons---.

138 joint use (Navy, Air Force, and Reserve).

FLYING BASES

General WILSON. We are currently operating 94 flying bases. As you can see from this chart, they are located on municipal fields, State fields, Air Force bases, private fields, and Navy bases. Thirtyeight of the ninety-four bases are in joint use with Navy, Air Force, Air Force Reserve units, and other Federal agencies. The others, with the exception of two (Glenn L. Martin and Congaree) are jointly used with civil agencies. Our missions range from cargo to fighter-interceptor with the corresponding aircraft types. This, of course, means our facilities must be versatile and capable of supporting a wide variety of equipment.

Mr. RIVERS. I thought in my part of the world it was strictly National Guard.

General WILSON. It is strictly National Guard; the other, I mean like civil airports, with the FAA and the National Guard.

Mr. RIVERS. They are not used by civil aircraft?

General WILSON. With the exception of two. They are the only two that are not, one at Martin and one at Congaree. That is strictly an Air National Guard operation.

Under the present program, we support 42 non-flying bases to house aircraft control and warning units, radio relay units, and various other communications units. Two more aircraft control and warning sites are under construction in Hawaii.

Since fiscal year 1947, the Air National Guard has spent $230 million for construction. Through fiscal year 1959, our obligation rate averages 97.44 percent, which, I think you will agree, is an excellent