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ESTABLISH A DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT

HEARINGS

BEFORE THE

SUBCOMMITTEE ON 29-1

EXECUTIVE REORGANIZATION

OF THE

COMMITTEE ON

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TO ESTABLISH IN THE EXECUTIVE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDIVISION

DENT AN OFFICE OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT

S. 1045

TO ESTABLISH A DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN
DEVELOPMENT, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES

S. 1599

TO ESTABLISH A DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN
DEVELOPMENT, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES

MARCH 31; APRIL 1 AND 2; MAY 19, 1965

Printed for the use of the Committee on Government Operations

47-686

U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE

WASHINGTON: 1965

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CONTENTS

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Text of bills under consideration, S. 497, S. 1045, S. 1599_.
Letter from Budget Director Kermit Gordon to Vice President Humphrey
transmitting a copy of the administration's bill, S. 1599_
Opening statement by Senator Abraham Ribicoff, chairman__

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WITNESS LIST

Andrew J. Biemiller, director, Department of Legislation, American
Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations__
C. C. Cameron, president, Mortgage Bankers Association of America
Hon. Joseph S. Clark, U.S. Senator from the State of Pennsylvania__
Hon. John F. Collins, mayor of Boston, Mass.-

Julius Edelstein, executive assistant for planning and policy programing
of the city of New York..

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Hon. Herman W. Goldner, mayor of the city of St. Petersburg, Fla_-
Kermit Gordon, Director, Bureau of the Budget.

Hon. Jacob K. Javits, U.S. Senator from the State of New York.

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Nathaniel Keith, president, National Housing Conference__

Robert W. MacGregor, Advisory Committee on Problems of Metropolitan
Society, United Presbyterian Church, U.S.A__

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Kenneth A. Meiklejohn, legislative representative, American Federation
of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations__

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S. E. Neel, general counsel and acting vice president, Mortgage Bankers
Association of America_

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Ira S. Robbins, president, National Association of Housing and Redevelop-
ment Officials

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Harold Seidman, Assistant Director for Management and Organization,
Bureau of the Budget-

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Matt Triggs, representing the American Farm Bureau Federation..
Hon. Robert F. Wagner, mayor of the city of New York-
C. D. Ward, general counsel, National Association of Counties.
Robert L. Williams, executive director, American Institute of Planners..
John C. Williamson, director, Department of Governmental Relations,
National Association of Real Estate Boards___

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Perry E. Willits, president, National Association of Home Builders of the
United States---

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EXHIBITS

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1. Section-by-section summary of a bill to establish a Department of
Housing and Urban Development___

2. Major developments affecting housing and urban development.
3. Summary of the organization and major functions of the Housing and
Home Finance Agency--

4. Responsibilities of the Housing and Home Finance Agency (HHFA
training aid)...

5. Congressional action related to the proposed establishment of an
executive department, office, or commission to deal with problems
of urban affairs.

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7. Employment in HIIFA and in executive departments as of end of
January 1965) ... ... ....

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8. "Catalog of Federal Aids to State and Local Governments.' Extract,
committee print, Subcommittee on Intergovernmental Relations
(88th Cong., 2d sess.).

6. Gross expendi ̧ures of Cabinet departments and Housing and Home
Finance Agency.

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ESTABLISH A DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN

DEVELOPMENT

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 31, 1965

U.S. SENATE,

SUBCOMMITTEE ON EXECUTIVE REORGANIZATION,
COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS,

Washington, D.C.

The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 10 a.m., in room 1318, New Senate Office Building, Senator Abraham Ribicoff (chairman) presiding.

Present: Senators Ribicoff, Gruening, Harris, Javits, and Simpson. Also present: Jerome Sonosky, staff director, Subcommittee on Executive Reorganization. Also Walter L. Reynolds, chief clerk and staff director, and Eli E. Nobleman, professional staff member, Government Operations Committee.

Senator RIBICOFF. The hearing will come to order.

The Committee on Government Operations has three subcommittees holding hearings today. Many of the members of this subcommittee are members of the other three subcommittees so they cannot be in three different places at the same time.

We meet today to begin hearings on legislation to establish a Department of Housing and Urban Development, and related bills.

We have before the subcommittee, S. 497, introduced by Senator Scott, which would establish in the Executive Office of the President an Office of Community Development. We have S. 1045, introduced by Senator Clark, to establish a Department of Housing and Urban Development.

And we have S. 1599, which I introduced for myself and several others, including Senators Gruening, Kennedy of New York, and Javits, who are members of this subcommittee, and Senator Clark, who is our first witness. Other cosponsors are Senators Brewster, Dodd, Douglas, Hart, Long of Missouri, Muskie, Pell, Tydings, and Williams of New Jersey.

S. 1599 is the administration's bill submitted to the Congress on March 23 by the Director of the Bureau of the Budget, who will be our second witness.

We will insert in the record at this point the text of the bills under consideration.

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