(The matter above referred to is as follows:) Estimated and actual miscellaneous receipts and trust funds, deposited into t Treasury of the United States for the fiscal years 1945, 1946, and 1947 4. Revenues, Oregon and California and Coos Bay Wagon Road lands.. 5. Sale of sealskins and other products. 6. Oil, gas, and mining royalties and rentals. 7. Interest on and repayments to Colorado Dam fund and other funds. 8. Revenues from Colorado Dam fund projects.. 9. Collections, reclamation funds.. 10. Sale of helium and of gas from helium plants. 11. Sale of Bonneville power 12. Sale of Norfolk & Denison power.. 13. Sale of Fort Peck power. 14. Miscellaneous rentals, fees, and permits. 15. Collections for services to Indians. 16. Alaska Railroad receipts.. 17. Repayment of investments.. 18. Unclassified receipts.. Gross receipts, general and special funds.. Less duplications'. Net receipts, general and special funds. Total trust funds (civil). Total trust funds (Indian). 1 Receipts duplicated are as follows: Source of funds Interest on and repayments to Colorado River Dam fund, Boulder Dam project, transferred from receipts under "Revenues, Colorado River Dam fund projects". Receipts from sale of power generated at the Grand Coulee Dam included in "Collections, reclamation funds" and "Sale of Bonneville power". Total. COMPARISON OF ESTIMATES, 1947, WITH APPROPRIATIONS, 1946 Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. I believe in the general statement of Mr. Chapman it was stated there might be a falling off in revenues for the coming year. Has an estimate been made of what the revenues will be next year? Mr. NORTHROP. Yes, sir; we estimate our net revenues for 1947 at $71,900,000—a reduction of some $8,000,000 from the actual revenues for 1945. Most of that reduction is due to a curtailment in Bonneville revenues and to the reduction in revenues for the Alaska Railroad. Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. Considering the fact your total budget estimate so far, unless we get some additional budget estimates during the day, or during the hearings, is only $340,000,000 for next year and the fact the anticipated revenues are some $8,000,000 less than last year-at that rate I would say it would take some time before the revenues will exceed the expenditures of this Department-a thing that every member of this committee has looked forward to for many years, hopeful that the revenues would at some future time exceed the appropriations. This is not too encouraging, is it? Mr. NORTHROP. I would like to point out, Mr. Chairman, that of this total appropriation request, $240,000,000 is for construction activities. Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. I believe, to be proper, you should say "for proposed construction activities." Mr. NORTHROP. For proposed construction activities, which leaves a balance of 100 million for operating, maintenance, and administrative functions, and the disparity between revenues and the cost of the operating, maintenance, and administrative functions is not large. Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. But the fact remains your estimates for 1947-to be exact, as of this date, or as of this hour-are three hundred Mr. CHAPMAN. $340,000,000. Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. $340,719,260, unless you have sent up a couple of million since then. The 1946 Interior Department Appropriation Act contained a total of $111,000,000 plus, is that right? Mr. NORTHROP. Yes, sir. Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. So your request for 1947 is over three times the amount contained in last year's Interior Department Appropriation Act? Mr. CHAPMAN. That is right. Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. That is, not including deficiency appropriations for 1946, which total $83,000,000, you are still asking for $149,552,872 more than the 1946 appropriations. Now, I suspect that I should direct this question to Secretary Chapman. I am not going to ask you where you are going to get the money, but as a matter of policy, in view of the urgent demands for money, do you have any comment to make as to how you would offset the drastic proposed increase, at this time when there is no public-works program on? Mr. CHAPMAN. Yes, Congressman; I think there is adequate justification for this increase. Let me cite a typical example. The National Park Service has been able to do little or no repair or improvement work since 1939. The Service was placed upon a skeleton basis of operation and custodial care of the properties and there is a large backlog of work that will have to be done in order to make the parks available and serviceable to the people. Construction and improvements in the parks takes up a considerable part of our proposed increase. Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. How much is that item for the Park Service, about $20,000,000 to $30,000,000? Mr. CHAPMAN. The estimate for 1947 is $32,643,215. Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. I probably have not seen it in the last week or so. Mr. CHAPMAN. I use that as an illustration of the type of operation which has been suspended since 1939 and of the need for additional funds to carry on the normal functions of the Department. Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. Just in order to keep the record straight, I want to remind you that in 1935 the appropriation for the entire Interior Department, was $31,000,000 plus; in 1936 it wa $61,000,000 plus; in 1937 it was $114,000,000 plus; in 1938 it wa $132,000,000; and in 1939 we dropped back to $129,000,000. In 194 the appropriation jumped to $172,000,000; in 1941 it went back dow to $135,000,000; in 1942 it was $188,000,000; and in 1943 it wa $178,000,000. In 1944 you got along with only $104,000,000, and i 1945 on $103,000,000. And, now, with the war ended, are yo really serious in asking for $340,000,000? Mr. CHAPMAN. I am absolutely serious about it, Congressman. Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. Do you really expect this committe to give to the Department of the Interior more than three times th amount given it a year ago? Mr. CHAPMAN. Well, we feel that this committee is a reasonabl committee. I hope that the representatives from each bureau i justifying their items can convince you that this is a reasonabl request. The General Land Office is another agency which has accumulate a tremendous amourt of deferred work during the past 5 years Appropriation increases proposed for the General Land Office ar required to place their work upon a current basis and to provid efficient and timely service during the reconversion period. SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS PENDING IN BUDGET BUREAU Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. Are you familiar with any additiona supplementals that are pending before the Bureau of the Bueget Mr. CHAPMAN. Yes, sir; we have a list of them. Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. For how much? Mr. NORTHROP. We have pending supplemental estimates amount ing to $1,835,000 from the general fund, and a tribal-fund item amounting to $355,000. Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. Now, that is all that is pending at thi time? Mr. NORTHROP. At this time; yes, sir. Mr. CHAPMAN. Of course, Congressman, the increased cost of man power and materials is showing up in this year more than it has shown up in any previous year's budget presentation. Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. Remembering that the Interior De partment functioned in the fiscal year of 1935 on $31,000,000 and in 1945 on $103,000,000, it is difficult for members to understand why it is necessary, or even desirable, that the appropriation jump to total of $340,000,000 for the next fiscal year. NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES IN THE DEPARTMENT Will you insert a table showing the number of employees in the Department by bureaus, departmental and field? Mr. NORTHROP. Yes, sir. This table showing the requested data is submitted for the record. (The table is as follows:) Number of employees, Department of the Interior, Dec. 31, 19451 Employment groups: "Salaried" includes all permanent and temporary employees on an annual or Employees not in pay status during month, 2,051 (not included in above). Employees in military serv 1 Without compensation and $1 per year or month employees in District of Columbia, 25. EMPLOYEES ENGAGED IN INFORMATIONAL WORK Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. Now, will that include a table of those Mr. CHAPMAN. No; but we can furnish a copy of a statement of estimated obligations for informational activities that was prepared for the Bureau of the Budget in response to a request by the House Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. I would like to have a statemen but perhaps not for the record, of where these people engaged or information work are employed, what they are doing, their salary names, and on what pay roll they are carried. Mr. CHAPMAN. We will have such a statement prepared. (The information was supplied to the committee.) LIAISON SERVICE Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. For example, a few days ago a very charming lady called on me and said she had just received a very important appointment in the Department of the Interior. I believe |