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COMPLETION OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE

BROOKLYN"

Mr. UMSTEAD. Admiral, the Brooklyn is scheduled for completion January 1, 1938?

Admiral Du BOSE. Yes, sir.

Mr. UMSTEAD. There will probably be some delay in its completion, will there not?

Admiral Du BOSE. Yes, sir; possibly.

Mr. UMSTEAD. Why then would you need the money being requested in this appropriation for the year 1939?

Admiral Du BOSE. There may be some delay in the actual completion of the Brooklyn and her leaving the New York Navy Yard, but she will be available in the fiscal year 1939 for the accomplishment of work not completed during the building period and for the accomplishment of what I have characterized as trial board items that may be recommeded by the trial board. There will be work required on the Brooklyn during the fiscal year 1939 for which this money is required.

Mr. UMSTEAD. In last year's estimates the total C. and M. cost on the Brooklyn was given as $13,960,000. You now estimate a cost of $14,060,000, which is an increase of $100,000. What explains the difference Admiral?

Admiral Du BOSE. It may be due to changes which have been authorized. It may be due to reestimates of probable costs of certain things. The figure as now submitted to the committee is our present more accurate estimate, but still an estimate of the total cost of that ship. We correct our estimates from time to time, as we obtain more detailed figures, but they are always estimates.

Mr. UMSTEAD. Admiral, what is the purpose of the $11,137 set up for 1940 for the Brooklyn under C. and M.?

Admiral DU BOSE. That is for bookkeeping primarily because the total estimated cost as given of $14,060,000 with the expenditures in appropriations including 1939 will leave $11,137.

ORIGINAL ESTIMATE OF COST OF "BROOKLYN"

Mr. UMSTEAD. What was the New York Navy Yard's original estimate for the cost of the Brooklyn?

Admiral Du BOSE. The original estimate from the New York Navy Yard for the Brooklyn was $11,297,416. That is the yard's estimated cost to build.

Mr. UMSTEAD. The Brooklyn is a light cruiser, is it not?
Admiral Du BOSE. Yes, sir; the Brooklyn is a light cruiser.

Mr. UMSTEAD. And the Quincy is a heavy cruiser, I believe.
Admiral Du BOSE. Yes, sir.

Mr. UMSTEAD. Why should the A. A. A. cost of the Brooklyn, $6,000,000, exceed the A. A. A. cost of the Quincy, which is $4,760,000? Admiral Du BOSE. Admiral Furlong will answer that question.

Mr. UMSTEAD. Admiral, the difference just indicated by me between the Quincy, a heavy cruiser, and the Brooklyn, a light cruiser, appears to be $1,240,000 for A. A. A.?

Admiral FURLONG. Yes, sir.

Mr. UMSTEAD. I am interested to know what causes that difference. Admiral'FURLONG. The difference is caused from the fact that the Brooklyn, although called a light cruiser, is of the same tonnage as

the Quincy, which is also 10,000 tons, and on the Brooklyn we put a battery of fifteen 6-inch guns, as compared with nine 8-inch guns in the battery of the Quincy. In terms of money, the battery on the Brooklyn costs $2,035,640 as against the battery on the Quincy of $1,703,014. That difference is because there are many more guns and 2 more turrets in the Brooklyn.

There is another difference in the fire-control equipment of the two ships, having many more guns to control it is more expensive on the Brooklyn, and there is a difference in the ammunition in the two ships, a difference in the price of it on account of the character of the ammunition.

Mr. UMSTEAD. Then the difference, as I understand it, is occasioned by the equipment placed upon each ship?

Admiral FURLONG. Yes, sir.

SHIPS INITIALLY APPROPRIATED FOR UNDER N. I. R. A. NAVY ALLOTMENT

Admiral DuBOSE. The vessels under category C for the fiscal year 1934 are shown in the following table which includes the vessels now under construction which have been previously authorized and appropriated for in part under the National Industrial Recovery Navy allotment.

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CHANGES IN ESTIMATES AND COSTS OF COMPLETION OF VARIOUS AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND CRUISERS

Mr. UMSTEAD. In the case of the Yorktown and the Enterprise, I notice a decrease of $150,000 for each vessel in the total A. A. A. cost, and also a decrease in the total C. and M. cost of the Enterprise. Admiral Du BOSE. Yes, sir.

Mr. UMSTEAD. The Enterprise is being built under contract, is it

Lot?

Admiral Du BOSE. Yes, sir.

Mr. UMSTEAD. So, therefore, should not the C. and M. cost remain the same?

Admiral Du BOSE. That is due to the same reasons, in general, that were given to the committee in answer to changes in cost of the Brooklyn. It is due to reestimates or more accurate estimates at the present time.

Mr. UMSTEAD. Admiral, the Yorktown is in commission now?
Admiral Du BOSE. Yes, sir.

Mr. UMSTEAD. You are asking for money for the Yorktown in 1934 in the sum of $200,000, and indicating that you will also ask for $502,000 in 1940. Why is that?

Admiral DU BOSE. Because there will be expenditures incurred by the Navy Department on the Yorktown in 1940. In a previous question you referred to limits of costs on ships.

While the combatant vessels now under construction have no limits of cost set by Congress, every vessel under construction has a departmental limit of cost. The Secretary of the Navy has fixed the tota. expenditures that may be made on any vessel from the building appropriation, and as I have previously stated, the period, of time during which these expenditures, within the departmental limits, may be made is 27 months after the completion of the vessel.

Mr. UMSTEAD. The same inquiry which I made with respect to the Yorktown also applies to these estimates on the Enterprise and the Philadelphia. Is your explanation the same, Admiral?

Admiral Du BOSE. Yes, sir; because from year to year in presenting the estimates of total cost of the ships, we give the committee the benefit of the latest detailed information that we have.

Mr. UMSTEAD. I notice in these estimates for the cruisers Philadel phia, Savannah, and Nashville, under C. and M. that the difference between the cost stated to the committee last year and the estimated costs stated to the committee in these estimates is $100,000.

Admiral DU BOSE. I will have to verify the figures. I have no doubt that is correct, sir.

Mr. UMSTEAD. I am interested to know just how it happens that the change in the estimate for the three cruisers is exactly the same.

Admiral Du BOSE. The similarity or the identical increase in the estimates is due to a reestimate of the total cost of changes. We made an estimate a year ago that the changes to be incorporated into these vessels would cost a certain sum of money. We have actually reached that limit, and we now estimate another $100,000 for changes.

Mr. UMSTEAD. In fact, there being no cost limit on any of the ships authorized to be built by the Navy, you are at liberty, of course. to raise or lower the estimated figures."

Admiral Du BOSE. Yes, sir.

Mr. UMSTEAD. And Congress is looked to to provide up to such limits as you may fix, such annual increments as you tell us are warranted by work progress predictions.

Admiral Du BOSE. That is why I say it would be unwise for Congress to attempt to fix a limit in the beginning, because had there been a fixed limit on these vessels, we would have been prevented from undertaking additional necessary work to the extent of $100,000 or

more.

Mr. UMSTEAD. In this list, under category "C", there are 28 vessels for which it is indicated funds will be needed for 1939 or 1940 or for both years and there are only four of the vessels on the list which appear on the progress of work report. What would be the effect if you were not allowed these additional amounts for either 1939 or 1940' Admiral Du BOSE. The Navy Department would be prevented

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