Mr. UMSTEAD. Do you expect that request to be granted?
Admiral FURLONG. Yes, sir.

Mr. UMSTEAD. Why should not the total cost of this project be educed to the extent that the program is affected by the two capital hips now under consideration, and further by such other capital ships say be provided for during the next few years?

SHELLS FOR NEWLY COMMISSIONED SHIPS

Admiral FURLONG. The two battleships that are going out of comnission to be replaced by these two that are now being built are ships hat use 12-inch shells, whereas this is for 14-inch shells and is for he ships that will still remain in the Navy.

Mr. UMSTEAD. All right, sir.

Admiral FURLONG. And if you wanted to carry it further, in other words, into the 1939 program where two more battleships would be laid down then, of course, the next two that would be put out would be 14-inch gun ships, and that addition would cause a reduction of this item but, of course, those new ships would not be commissioned for 5 or 6 years, and by that time a reduction in that requirement could be made from $12,000,000 down to $9,500,000.

PROCUREMENT OF ANTI-AIRCRAFT SPOTTING GLASSES

Admiral FURLONG. Item 23 is $5,000 for 250 pairs of anti-aircraft spotting glasses at $20 per pair for machine-gun crews. These are manufactured of fine optical glass with four lenses to each eye separated by polarizing material. They can be adjusted for looking directly into the sun.

ORDNANCE EQUIPMENT FOR NEW AIRPLANES

Item 24 is $1,897,000 for aviation ordnance, which is $1,120,000 less than 1938. The breakdown of this is as follows:

The foregoing is based upon and matches the Bureau of Aeronauties program. Aviation ordnance material consists of bomb sights, bomb racks, machine guns, gun sights, gun adapters, gun firing devices, gun cameras, smoke tanks, bomb hoists, target reels, and so forth.

REPLACEMENT OF MINE AND DEPTH CHARGE EQUIPMENT

Item No. 25, $80,500, is for a continuing 5-year program and covers, among other things, the following items:

Mine anchor parachutes, special knock-down dry cells, mine detonators, plummet cord, mine anchor fair leads, and so forth. The estimated over-all cost of this program is $350,000; allocated 1936, $25,000; allocated 1937, $25,000; allocated 1938, $110,500; requested herein, $80,500; additional necessary to complete, $109,000, which plan to request in 1940 or to split between 1940 and 1941.

MATERIAL, MAINTENANCE, AND IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM

Item 26 is $2,578,000 under material, maintenance, and improvement program, and breaks down as follows: (a) $160,000 to provide stereoscopic antiaircraft range finders, mounts, and accessories for nine BB's, eight CA's, and two CV's.

It is planned to install two antiaircraft range finders on each BB and CA and four on each CV, and to provide four spares. This makes a total of 46 range finders to be purchased. Forty-two range finder mounts will be required.

Funds to complete the program are shown in the following table:

The funds already appropriated in 1938 and prior years provide for the manufacture of 46 range finders and 32 mounts. The ordnance funds requested for 1939, $160,000, will complete the purchase of the range finders and accessories to be paid for by the Bureau of Ordnance. Deliveries of range finders and mounts, complete and ready for installation, are estimated as follows: By August 1, 193, 2 complete units for installation in a BB; by January 1, 1939, 6 additional complete units for installation in 3 BB's: and by July 1, 1939, 14 additional complete units for installation in BB's and CVS

It is planned to install range finders and mounts complete, during 1939, in five BB's and one CV. During 1940, it is planned to instal range finders and mounts complete in three BB's and six CA's and one CV. During 1941, it is planned to install range finders and mounts complete in one BB and two CA's.

Most of the money comes under other bureaus in order to put the range finders on the ships.

Mr. UMSTEAD. What is the need for the entire amount requested under this item, when the C. and R. and Engineering Bureaus will not have funds to complete their part of this program until probably 1941?

Admiral FURLONG. Well, C. and R. and Engineering are requesting these items where they are required for 1939.

Mr. UMSTEAD. Yes.

Admiral FURLONG. C. and R. is requesting $190,000, and Engineerg is requesting $295,000, in order to start completion, to put these ings aboard. We have already got all of it except we are only king for $160,000 to buy the mounts that have to be manufactured or the range finders, and C. and R. and Engineering will put em in as the ships become available.

Mr. UMSTEAD. Under the balance, which, of course, has to be mainined between the Bureaus in connection with a program of this ind, will their program necessitate on your part the entire amount ing asked for during the year 1939?

Commander KITTS. This is to finish up about 14 mounts. We have he money for all of the range finders and all of the mounts except , and this is to finish up the mounts so that they will be ready or installation on the ships.

Admiral FURLONG. Yes; but what the chairman asks for is whether het will need this amount this year, 1939?

Commander KITTS. We have got to get the money to make the mounts or they will not be ready. It takes over a year to manuacture the mounts, and we cannot start until the 1st of July 1938, which is the first of the fiscal year 1939, and we will not have them Pady until the first of the fiscal year 1940. Those are mounts which re manufactured at the gun factory.

Admiral FURLONG. The next item is $7,000 to replace electric cables n magazines with flame-proof and heat-resisting type. That is just small item under ordnance, which is a very large item under the other bureaus, to put this cable in all of their magazines. Engineerng requires $600,000, and C. and R. requires $150,000. We have ad recently some trouble in one of the magazines where the cable that was run through the magazine caused a fire, and it would cause great damage if not renewed with a better make of cable to put in there.

The next item is $1,799,000 to complete purchase and to install four additional 5-inch 25 antiaircraft guns, mounts and fire-control instruments on each of heavy cruisers 24 to 31. Those are the cruisers Pensacola, Northampton, Chester, Louisville, Chicago, Houston, and Augusta. They have four antiaircraft guns, but there is room for four more, and this fund is to make up their complete total, a complete battery against aircraft.

The total project requires the purchase of 32 additional 5-inch antiaircraft guns and accessories. Funds for the completion of this project are shown in the following table:

Funds provided in 1938 and prior years are sufficient to purchase 16 antiaircraft guns and accessories and will out fit four of the eight ships. The C. and R. funds provided in 1938 and prior years will provide for the manufacture of ammunition hoisting and conveyor

equipment for one ship. The ordnance funds requested for 1939 will provide the remainder of the guns and accessories required for this item. The C. and R. funds requested for 1939 provide for the installation of four guns and equipment on each of two cruisers and will also provide for the manufacture of ammunition hoisting and conveyor equipment for three cruisers. The engineering funds provide for installing four guns on each of two cruisers. It is now planned to install guns and equipment as follows:

During 1939, four guns on each of two ships; during 1940, four guns on each of five ships; during 1941, four guns on one ship.

The funds required during 1940 and 1941 are for the purpose of carrying out the proposed plan. This shows the years in which they are going to be put on, to be put on by years, 1939, 1940, and

1941.

Mr. UMSTEAD. What reduction could be made here to bring your work in harmony with the rate of progress that is being made by other affected bureaus, if any?

Admiral FURLONG. Well, it takes us a number of years to build those guns, and that is the reason we requested it here early before the years that C. and R. and engineering require their money, later on in 1940 and 1941, but they certainly can put them in as compared with the length of time it takes us to build the guns. So, we ask for the money for the guns to get started on them. Now, there are 32 guns to build, and it will take about 2 years to get them built.

The next is $550,000 to modernize main battery fire control systems in heavy cruisers 26 to 31, which it is proposed to accomplish by purchasing and installing new plotting room equipment for six vessels and by modifying the director installations and transmission units for six vessels.

The funds required for this project are shown in the following table:

The funds requested for 1939, together with prior appropriations, will provide for the purchase of plotting-room equipment and plot ting-room transmission units for six vessels: under "Engineering," for the purpose of six electrical units for this purpose, the funds required in 1940, under “Ordnance," will provide for the modernization of director and transmission units for the same; under "C. ani R." and "Engineering," for the installation charges for four ships The funds required in 1941 are to complete the installation of this equipment.

Mr. UMSTEAD. Why do you not provide for the amount necessary for this item in two equal annual appropriations, instead of $550,00 in 1939 and $360,000 for 1940?

Admiral FURLONG. This probably has to do with the time whe the ships are available.

Commander KITTS. This building material, which takes over a ear to manufacture, we are letting go into the building estimates, nd the other material is material on the top side, material of two ifferent types. By buying the building material in one lot we can ave it ready to go into the ship, which is a structural job, and the ext year buying the material to modify the upper work, the top-side struments, they can perform the work.

Admiral FURLONG. The next item is $24,000 for improvement of owder cars in lower 8-inch powder hoists of the San Francisco and incy. That is under primary cognizance of the Bureau of Ordance. The Bureau of Construction and Repairs requires $3,000, or total of $27,000.

Mr. THOм. The Quincy has been commissioned recently, has it not? Admiral FURLONG. Yes, sir.

Mr. THOм. What is this defect that you have found?

Admiral FURLONG. We did not find any defect. It is an improvenent rather than a defect in the car that brings the powder up.

The length of the powder in it is about this high [indicating]. When you go to target practice, you use shorter or smaller charges. You only use about two-thirds of the regular powder charges. That shorter charge tends to fall out of this car because the car is built. for that standard full charge. The car has a clamp on the top to hold the long powder charge in the car. So, we have to put some clips lower down in order to hold this smaller charge.

Mr. UMSTEAD. Was that not known to the Bureau of Construction. and Repair when the ship was designed?

Admiral FURLONG. Apparently that was an oversight.

Mr. THOM. Is the San Francisco a newly commissioned ship also? Admiral FURLONG. Yes, sir. This is not a perfect design. That is all you can lay that to.

Item F is $38,000 for improvement of flameproofing in turrets between powder cars and trucks and repairs to powder cars in the Tennessee, California, and Maryland. Primary cognizance, Bureau of Ordnance. Bureau of Engineering requires $15,000, Bureau of Construction and Repair, $90,000; total, $143,000. That is for flameproofing in old turrets in which the powder cars buckle and warp, and where spaces open up in between the powder cars and their trucks, and they have to be sealed against flames going down into the magazines.

PARTIAL FILLING OF ORDNANCE SHORTAGE

The next item is $567,300 toward a partial coverage of ammunition shortage. This is $3,290 more than 1938. The amount requested herein is to be applied as follows:

Toward shortage in fuzes and fuze covers.
Toward shortage in landing-force ammunition..

Total

$367, 300

200, 000

567, 300

It is considered of extreme importance to reduce the shortage of above items. Fuzes are highly specialized, intricate, slow of manufacture, and the source of supply is very restricted. The shortage in landing-force ammunition might be embarrassing in an emergency.