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Commander BROADBENT. Depending upon the nature of the travel that they are performing. If the officer is performing what we call travel under mileage conditions, he receives 8 cents per mile, less 3 cents per mile over land-grant miles, for the entire journey by rail. Mr. UMSTEAD. And that is paid to him whether he travels on a train or in a car?

Commander BROADBENT. It is immaterial by what means he travels, so long as it is not a Government conveyance.

EXPENSES INCIDENT TO RECRUITING

Admiral CONARD. The next item is "Expenses of recruiting, including expenses recruiting officers and advertising for men, rental, and maintenance of recruiting offices."

This item provides funds for recruiting expenses divided into two items as follows:

Item I. For expenses of the recruiting service other than rental and maintenance of stations.

Item II. For expenses of recruiting rendezvous and expenses of maintaining

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Each of these items is further divided into subitems shown in detail in the explanatory data.

The appropriation for 1939 is the base-adjustments are shown below.

Item I. Expenses of recruiting service, etc.:

(a) Recruiting bureaus__

$65.

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Item II. For rent of recruiting rendezvous and expenses of maintaining

same:

(a) Rentals..

(b) Operation of trunks___

(c) Painting and equipment_

(d) Miscellaneous__-

Total, item II...

Total, estimate..

Total, 1938

Increase

18, 619 2.000

2,00

94.619

2.000

12. 0

5.

8.

27.

121, 619 116. 10

5,462

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Mr. UMSTEAD. Admiral, is it becoming more difficult or less difficult to obtain enlistments in the Navy?

Admiral CONARD. I am not informed on that. I am going to ask Captain Abbett to answer that.

Captain ABBETT. We have no difficulty at the present time in getting applicants for the Navy.

Mг. THOM. You do have?

Captain ABBETT. We do not have.

Mr. UMSTEAD. Captain, has there been a marked improvement during the past few years in the type of men that you are obtaining in the Navy as new recruits?

Captain ABBETT. Yes, sir. I might say that from my own personal experience and from the concensus of opinion of other officers with whom I have talked there is a marked improvement.

Mr. UMSTEAD. That, of course, reflects itself in improved personnel in the Navy?

Captain ABBETT. Yes, sir.

TRANSPORTATION OF DEPENDENTS OF OFFICERS AND MEN

Admiral CONRAD. This item provides funds for transportation of dependents of officers and enlisted men.

Estimate, 1939_-_.

Appropriation, 1938_

$992, 486

976, 037

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Increase due to increase in numbers, increase in rate (officers; rate

decreased for men), as follows:

Increase due to increase in number of officers, 169 at $50.79

Increase in rate, 10,186 at $2.55--

Increase in number of enlisted men 1,104 at $21.04

Total

$8.566 26, 010

23, 228

57.804

Decrease due to decrease in rate for enlisted men, 23,312 at $1.77----- $41,355 Net increase.

(a) Officers' dependents:

Base, 10,017 at $50, 79_

Increase in number of officers, 169 at $50.79-.

Increase in rate, 10,186 at $2.55-

Total

Total, 10,186 at $53,344.

16.449

508.781

8,566

26,010

543, 357

543.357

The number of officers has increased from 10,017 (1938) to 10,156 (1939). The estimated unit cost for 1938 was $50.79. The average cost for the period 1930 to 1936 was $51.65. The cost for 1937 was $52.08. The figure used for 1939 is the actual cost for 1937 ($52.08) plus $1,264 added because of the overhaul schedule of one transport. (b) Enlisted men's dependents:

Base, 22,208, at $21.04.

Increase in number of men, 1.104, at $21.04.

Decrease due to decrease in rate, 23,312 at $1,774--

Total, 23,312, at $19,266–.

$467, 276

23,228

41,355

449, 129

The number of enlisted men entitled to transportation for dependents (C. P. O.'s and P. O.'s first class) will increase from 22.208 in 1938 to 23,312 in 1939.

The average unit cost per enlisted man during the period 1930 to 1936 was $14.88. In 1937 the unit cost was $18.74. The cost for 1939 is the actual cost for 1937 ($18.74) plus $0.526 per capita due to the overhaul schedule of one transport. This cost varies with the volume of overseas travel which is more costly than rail travel. The number of dependents traveling to and from overseas stations is greater now than during the period 1930 to 1936, hence the average cost is greater.

Item (a)

Item (b)

Total estimate

$543,357

449, 129

992,486

Mr. UMSTEAD. Admiral, I understand that the allowances covered by this item are regulated by statute?

Admiral CONARD. The transportation is furnished in kind to dependents as defined in the statutes.

Mr. UMSTEAD. And the number of men affected by the appropriation is estimated on the basis of the average number of enlisted men and officers you expect to have during the fiscal year 1939?

Admiral CONARD. Precisely so.

EXPENSES OF OFFICERS AND MIDSHIPMEN ON SHORE PATROL DUTY

This item provides funds for actual expenses of officers and mid shipmen while on shore patrol duty including the hire of automobiles when necessary for use of shore patrol detachments.

For actual expenses of officers and midshipmen while on shore patrol duty including the hire of automobiles when necessary for use of shore patrol detachments:

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1938 appropriation__.

JUSTIFICATION OF ESTIMATE

1939 estimate (no increase) –

Base.

$20,000 20,000

For expenses of officers and midshipmen on patrol duty ashore and entitles them to not to exceed $7 per day.

CHANGE OF LANGUAGE

Mr. UMSTEAD. Admiral, on page 62 of the committee print you are requesting a change in language. Explain that, please.

Admiral CONARD. The Chief of Naval Operations has requested that the naval governors of Guam and American Samoa be supplied with two members of the messmen branch, each, in order that they may properly carry out their required official functions, an increase of four.

The Chief of the Bureau of Ordnance has requested that the following activities be supplied with one member of the messman branch, each: Naval Ammunition Depots, Iona Island, N. Y.; Cahu, Hawaii; Fort Mifflin, Pa.; St. Juliens Creek, Va.; Puget Sound, Wash.; Mare Island, Calif.; Balboa, Canal Zone; Cavite, P. I.; Hingham, Mass.; Naval Powder Factory, Indian Head, Md.; and Naval Torpedo Station. Newport, R. I.; an increase of 11, or a total for the two of 15. Mr. UMSTEAD. On page 66 of the committee print you are requesting a change of language to make the appropriation applicable to steamship and airway guides. Explain that, please.

Admiral CONARD. This will enable the Bureau to purchase steamship and airway guides as well as railway guides, all these being equally necessary in the conduct of the business of the Bureau. The steamship guides cost $1,000 and the airway guides $500 per year.

Mr. UMSTEAD. On page 67 you are asking that the appropriation, "Pay, subsistence, and transportation, Navy," include members of the Naval Reserve when called to active duty in time of war or during the existence of a national emergency declared by the President.

Admiral CONARD. The basic Naval Reserve Act of February 28, 1925, authorizes, in section 9, the ordering of officers and men of the Naval Reserve to active duty in time of war or national emergency. Under the present wording of the appropriation act no funds are actually available for the payment of Naval Reserves if called to active duty in a national emergency.

The Naval Reserve section authorizes pay and allowances for of ficers and enlisted men on training duty and for officers and enlisted men on active duty in connection with the instruction, training, and drilling of the Naval Reserve. It also limits the employment on active duty of officers of the Naval Reserve above the grade of lieu

tenant.

The appropriation "Pay, subsistence, and transportation" applies only to the regular personnel except with respect to the specific appropriation for subsistence, which is, by its wording, also available for subsistence of the Naval Reserve "during period of active service."

The amendatory language proposed above will provide for the payment from the general appropriation for the Regular Navy, that is, "Pav, subsistence, and transportation," of Naval Reserves on active duty in an emergency, following the precedent established for their payment from this appropriation during the World War.

MONDAY, DECEMBER 13, 1937. MAINTENANCE, BUREAU OF SUPPLIES AND ACCOUNTS

Mr. UMSTEAD. Gentlemen, we will begin with Maintenance, Bureau of Supplies and Accounts, on page 71 of the committee print of the bill.

GENERAL STATEMENT

Admiral CONARD. The amounts appropriated for maintenance, Bureau of Supplies and Accounts, have, in the past several years, lagged behind appropriations for the Navy as a whole, in spite of the fact that the work to be done fluctuates in direct ratio with the total funds availabel for general naval expenditures, and, consequently, with the numbers of military and civil personnel, the tonnage of vessels in commission, the numbers of aircraft in service, and the shore establishments development program. Comparison of the relation between "Maintenance, supply and accounts" and the total appropriations from the fiscal years 1932 to 1938 is shown on graph A, on page M-13.

The appropriation for the entire Navy for 1938 was $527,829,458. an increase of 46.7 percent over the $359,642,104 appropriated for 1932.

Mr. UMSTEAD. Admiral, at that point I wish to call your attention to the fact that in practically every instance the Department uses a figure in designating the amount of the 1938 appropriation. which includes the trust funds, whereas this committee in presenting the bill and handling the matter in Congress uses the net figure exclusive of the trust funds. Of course, the trust funds are in no way an actual appropriation of money by the Congress for the use of the Navy. They are only funds for which the Government, at the moment, is legal custodian.

Admiral CONARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. UMSTEAD. As a matter of fact, the appropriation for 1938 was $526,258,808.

Admiral CONARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. UMSTEAD. I am calling your attention to that, not that it makes any material difference so far as your use of the figures is concerned in this connection, but in order that the record may be kept straight and in agreement with the facts and figures used by our committee in presenting the bill and getting it through the Congress at the last session.

Admiral CONRAD. The "Maintenance, S. and A.," appropriation for 1932 was $10,100,000, and that for 1938, $9.313.180, a decrease of S percent. Of the objects of expenditure under the appropriation, shipments of freight must be made within the limits of the appropriation as required, and it is therefore necessary to keep funds available for shipments at the expense of other objects of expenditure. The result has been a failure to replace worn equipment ashore, to disapprove requisitions for new equipment which shore activities consider necessary for the proper performance of their work, to deny employees the privilege of taking all of the leave to which they are entitled, and to delay or neglect work which should be performed. such as inventories of stock on hand and work on preservation of

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