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same time he made an estimate upon the cost of a treaty navy. That was probably a distant estimate. The nearer we get to a treaty navy, the more accurate our estimate becomes.

In general, in computing the estimate of the treaty navy, as of January 8, our computation—provided everything goes as we planwill be about 118,000 men.

Mr. UMSTEAD. Seven thousand in excess of the estimate made by Admiral Standley about 4 years ago?

Admiral ANDREWS. Yes, sir. He made that in February 1935, for the 1936 bill.

Mr. UMSTEAD. That would be 2 years ago.
Admiral ANDREWS. Nearly 3 years ago.

We are studying this all the time, and I can give you the following results of our study:

Admiral Standley's estimate called for 111,010 men; our latest estimate for 118,356. On comparison of the two estimates there are almost identical numbers of combatant ships in both. There are, in the present estimate, three more gunboats, and some increase in the auxiliary necessary to operate the treaty navy, principally one additional destroyer tender, larger seaplane tenders, and eight more mine sweepers. The main increases in the present estimate, aside from the 2,400 necessary for these vessels, are in the allowances of the new types of vessels. In the early estimate we had no experience upon which to base fully the allowances for the new light cruisers and destroyers. Further experience has shown these must be increased a total of nearly 1,000 for the 17 cruisers and over 2,000 for the 96 destroyers. An increased shore establishment allowance, due in part to aviation base activities, accounts for an 1,800 increase.

With respect now to the 1939 estimates, we will then be operating less than the treaty navy by one aircraft carrier, by carrying three battleships in reduced commission, and by several auxiliaries. This disparity, together with a slightly less sea and shore aviation program, results in the 7,800 less needed for 1939 than for the treaty navy. The 1939 estimate of 110,570 is, as I have stated, carefully compiled from the basic data of the exact ships, by number and name, to be operated in that year, and the allowance of men for each. This allowance is 85 percent generally, though higher, up to 100 percent, for submarines, repair ships, and ships on the Asiatic station.

DELAY IN BUILDING PROGRAM

Mr. DITTER. To what extent, Admiral, was the building program delayed during the past year?

Admiral ANDREWS. I think it was about 5 months, sir; but that is a matter that I would have to look into.

Mr. DITTER. Could it be resolved into percentage, would you sar! In other words, assuming 100 percent as the full contemplated program of construction, could you estimate approximately to what' degree that 100 percent had been slowed down or delayed?

Admiral ANDREWS. I think we could get from the Bureau of Construction and Repair the exact figures on that, Mr. Ditter, showing the actual delay in all of these ships.

Mr. DITTER. Thank you.

Admiral ANDREWS. I understand that the Chief of Bureau of Construction and Repair and of Engineering will present a complete statement on this matter, and in order to avoid repetition here, I respectfully refer to that statement.

INCREASE IN FLEET AIRCRAFT PERSONNEL

Mr. Thom. I notice in your table in the general statement that you indicate an increase in personnel of the fleet aircraft from 4,725 to 6,371.

Admiral ANDREWS. The figure 4,725 is as of September 30, 1937. At the end of this fiscal year we expect to have 5,593. The increase in 1939 is largely on account of the heavy patrol planes going into commission.

Mr. Thom. How many planes do you expect to have ?

Admiral ANDREWS. In all there will be about 1,048. That includes the increase in planes, the Yorktown, the Enterprise, and other increases in the fleet, and the patrol planes; it goes from 927 at the end of 1938 to 1,048. Mr. Thom. That involves an increase of about 1,300 men?

Admiral ANDREWS. From the September 30, 1937 figure, yes, sir, but less than 800 from the June 30, 1938 figure.

ENLISTED MEN MOVING TO STATIONS FOR DUTY

Mr. Thom. I notice on page 45 you have an item “At sea, in transit," referring to enlisted personnel, showing a decrease from 1,836 to 1.287. What is the nature of that decrease?

Captain ABBETT. The distribution as of September 30, 1937, is an actual figure. Two transports were at sea at the time. They were going back and forth across the Pacific to supply the forces in the Asiatic.

The other is an estimate only, and is an average estimate. We think that this year has a great deal of activity in that line, on account of the troubled state of affairs in the Far East. We have both the Chaumont and the Henderson working on that run now.

Mr. THOM. That item involves the men who are moving to their stations of duty; who are not actually charged to any ship?

Captain ABBETT. Yes, sir; who are not actively charged to any ship or any other activity. They are afloat, and belong in the forces afloat, but they are moving around, and their services are not available.

Mr. Thom. Do you mean to say you are going to have, during the next year, 1,200 men that have not reached their destination, and are on the seas going somewhere?

Captain ABBETT. That is an average, sir, and it is based on our experience over a great number of years. For instance, when the Chaumont makes a trip to the Asiatic station she carries 1,200 men. She carries 1200 out and comes back with approximately that number.

Mr. Thom. Those are marines, are they not?

Captain ABBETT. Not necessarily. In this case, on one trip she took marines. On her return trip she will be bringing naval personnel.

The Henderson, on the contrary, carried a thousand regular Navy enlisted men when she went out.

Those are examples showing that this is going on, but they are not the only examples, and they really only take care of, say, 1,200 men for 2 months, and we are dealing with an average over the total year. Now, there are a great number of people who are in receiving ships ready to go into the fleet as soon as transportation is available. There are men on the east coast at the training stations who are being transshipped to the fleet on the west coast, and all those do count up remarkably, sir.

Mr. THOM. Does that include also the men who are coming back from the Philippines, who are about to be discharged ?

Captain ABBOTT. Yes, sir. As long as they are in the naval service, if they are in transit, they are included in that figure.

Mr. Thom. It likewise means that you are going to have that 1,287, or a large number of them, replaced by re-enlistments under your old quota; is not that true?

Captain ABBOTT. Under the old quota, sir?

Mr. Thom. Yes. That is, the strength of the Navy must always come up to 105,000, where it is now?

Captain ABBOTT. Yes, sir.

Mr. Thom. So that a good percentage of those 1,200 would be men who are retiring, and their places will be taken by others within the authorized strength ?

Captain ABBOTT. Some few will be taken, but they will not be taken until the others have actually retired. As long as they are still in the active service in the Navy they must be accounted for

Of course that is an estimate, sir. We do not know when some thing is going to break in some distant part of the world that would require men to be shipped in large numbers. However, this is based upon our previous experience and is as close an estimate as we can make. This number of men in transit must always be allowed for, in addition to the actual number on board ship. It is included in. and not additional to, our annual estimates for the number of men required. Thus, of the 105,000 estimates for 1938, we allowed an average of 1,167 in transit, and for 1939 the 1,287. It runs somewhat over 1 percent of the total number of men.

CRUISERS TO BE COMMISSIONED DURING 1938

Mr. Thom. How many cruisers did you say you are going to add this year?

Admiral ANDREWS. Three cruisers.
Mr. Thom. Three heavy or three light?
Admiral ANDREWS. Three light.
Mr. Thom. What is the personnel of those cruisers?
Admiral ANDREWS. Six hundred and forty-one men each.

INCREASE IN PERSONNEL OF LIGHT CRUISERS

Mr. Thom. I notice that your personnel sheet shows an increase in personnel in light cruisers from 5,732 to 9,618. That provides for an addition of 3,886 men. Now, the figures show that you will have three additional cruisers, each with a complement of oil, making a total of 1,923 men. How do you account for asking for twice as many as are indicated by those figures?

Captain ABBETT. The 5,732 men represents the condition on the 30th of September. According to the operating force plan for 193

t was 7,698. That will be at the end of this year, and will include he Boise, the Honolulu, and the Savannah. Then later we go up pproximately 2,000 men for the three ships that are going in comnission in 1939—641 men each. Admiral ANDREWS. That is correct.

NUMBER OF ENLISTED MEN AS OF SEPTEMBER 30, 1937

Mr. Thom. Now, that gives your total for 1938 as 105,150. Do you ave that many men at the present time?

Captain ABBOTT. Not now, sir. We will have them on the 30th of
une.
Mr. Thom. How many have you now!
Captain ABBOTT. We have now approximately 100,940, as of the
Oth of September. That has been increased. Yesterday's report
Fas 102,099.

Admiral ANDREWs. You see, we do not arrive at the final figure for his year until the end of the year, and we try to strike an average uring the year as these ships come along.

Mr. UMSTEAD. Gentlemen, that will conclude this hearing, and we hank you, Admiral, and all of you, for the information you have iven us.

FRIDAY, DECEMBER 10, 1937.

NAVAL ACADEMY

ITATEMENTS OF REAR ADMIRAL DAVID F. SELLERS, SUPERIN

TENDENT; CAPT. C. W. CROSSE; AND COMDR. T. C. GIBBS

GENERAL STATEMENT

Mr. UMSTEAD. We now take up the estimates for the United States Saral Academy. Admiral Sellers, if you have any general statement you would like to make before we proceed with the items, we shall be glad to hear you at this time.

Admiral SELLERS. There is submitted herewith an estimate covering the needs of the Naval Academy for the fiscal year 1939.

Funds are requested under three appropriations, (a) Pay, Naval Arademy; (b) Current and Miscellaneous Expenses; and (c) Maintenance and Repairs; which appear in the estimate in the order given.

In support of the Administration's efforts toward economy, the Naval Academy is operating at the present time and will continue to operate during the remainder of the fiscal year under a program of restricted expenditures.

Under date of August 10, 1937, the Superintendent announced the following policy for the current year:

(a) No alterations of a structural or accessory nature will be undertaken Icept those essential to health or sanitation.

(b) No repairs will be effected other than those necessary for the presersation of existing structures or installations and for the operation of the latter.

ir) The requisitioning of material and labor will be restricted to that necessary to meet the requirements of (a) and (b) above.

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This policy is being adhered to.

In our estimates now coming up for consideration only such ircreases have been requested as are considered essential to a continuing program of satisfactory operation.

ADMINISTRATIVE RESERVE

Mr. UMSTEAD. Admiral, I believe that there has been $77,000 of your appropriation set aside in the so-called administrative resertt.

Admiral SELLERS. Yes, sir; under our appropriation "Maintenant and repairs."

Mr. UMSTEAD. From what items was that taken?

Captain CROSSE. That was taken in part, Mr. Chairman, from the $50,000 Congress appropriated last year for the equipment of the new extension of Isherwood Hall; $20,000 of that was held out. There was another item of $15,000 appropriated for repair and reconstruction due to termite damage at the Naval Academy. Tiu total of $15,000 is also set up in that reserve. The remainder of the $77,000 is taken from the $40,900 appropriated for leave for en ployees under the leave law and from the appropriation of $5.91 for disposal of trash and garbage.

Mr. UMSTEAD. You do not know now, of course, whether any of that money will be released prior to June 30 of next year?

Admiral SELLERS. No, sir; we do not. If it becomes absolutely necessary, we will send in a request for release to the Nary De partment, and we may or may not get it.

NUMBER OF MIDSHIPMEN AT NAVAL ACADEMY

Mr. UMSTEAD. Admiral, I suggest that you insert in the record at this point the table appearing in your justifications showing the number of midshipmen at the academy.

Admiral SELLERS. Yes, sir.
(The statement referred to is as follows :)

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