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The CHAIRMAN. Any questions?

Mr. OLSEN. I just wanted to say I am very happy, as I know the chairman is, to see our friend, Mr. Ramspeck, who was formerly Chairman of the Civil Service Commission and a former Member of Congress, and very glad to have his contribution to this hearing.

Mr. RAMSPECK. Thank you, Mr. Olsen.

Mr. Chairman, I would like to urge the committee to study the Randall report. The total cost of it, if followed in toto, will be only about $20 million. I think it is very important that Congress raise its own pay and the pay of the executive and judicial branches of the Government.

The CHAIRMAN. Thank you. Any further questions?

Mr. WATSON. In reference to the last statement made by our former colleague, I think we should take judicial knowledge of the fact he knows whereof he speaks.

Mr. RAMSPECK. That is right. I resigned from Congress because I could not save any money and I was getting too old to face old age with nothing for the future. I think it is of the utmost importance in any organization that you have good leadership, and you cannot keep it in the Federal Government unless these salaries are increased as the cost of living goes up.

The CHAIRMAN. Any further questions?
If not, thank you very much, gentlemen.

The committee will meet in executive session next Thursday and at that time the further meeting date of this committee will be considered and announced at that meeting.

The committee stands adjourned.
(Thereupon, at 12:07 p.m. the committee adjourned.)

FEDERAL EMPLOYEES SALARY

ACT OF 1963

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1963

PART 2

BEFORE THE

HEARING

E TEST 3. Congress, House

COMMITTEE ON
POST OFFICE AND CIVIL SERVICE.

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

EIGHTY-EIGHTH CONGRESS

FIRST SESSION

ON

H.R. 7552, H.R. 7814, H.R. 8716, AND SIMILAR

BILLS

BILLS TO ADJUST THE RATES OF BASIC COMPENSATION
OF CERTAIN OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES IN THE FEDERAL

GOVERNMENT, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES

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COMMITTEE ON POST OFFICE AND CIVIL SERVICE

TOM MURRAY, Tennessee, Chairman JAMES H. MORRISON, Louisiana

ROBERT J. CORBETT, Pennsylvania THADDEUS J. DULSKI, New York

H. R. GROSS, Iowa
DAVID N. HENDERSON, North Carolina JOEL T. BROYHILL, Virginia
ARNOLD OLSEN, Montana

AUGUST E. JOHANSEN, Michigan
MORRIS K. UDALL, Arizona

GLENN CUNNINGHAM, Nebraska DOMINICK V. DANIELS, New Jersey GEORGE M. WALLHAUSER, New Jersey LINDLEY BECKWORTH, Texas

ROBERT R. BARRY, New York HARLEY 0. STAGGERS, West Virginia KATHARINE ST. GEORGE, New York ROBERT N. C. NIX, Pennsylvania

EDWARD J. DERWINSKI, Illinois
JOE R. POOL, Texas

ROBERT F. ELLSWORTH, Kansas
ALBERT W. WATSON, South Carolina HOMER E. ABELE, Ohio
EDWARD R. ROYBAL, California
CHARLES H. WILSON, California

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CONTENTS

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Statement of

Association of American Railroads, Washington, D.C.
Association of Interstate Commerce Commission Practitioners, Wash-

ington, D.C.
Association of the Customs Bars__
Folsom, Marion B., Rochester, N.Y.
Gordon, Hon. Kermit, Director, Bureau of the Budget; accompanied

by Elmer B. Staats, Deputy Director, Spencer Platt, Chief, Personnel
Management Branch; and William Lehman, member of staff,

Personnel Management Branch ---
Hammond, Harold F., Transportation Association of America, Wash-

ington, D.C.
McElroy, Neil, Procter & Gamble Co., Cincinnati, Ohio---
Macy, Hon. John W., Jr., Chairman, U.S. Civil Service Commission;

accompanied by Robert F. Milkey, Pay Systems Section, Bureau of

Program and Standards.-
Pellerzi, L. M., president, Federal Trial Examiners Conference, Wash-

ington, D.C -
Price, Don K., member of President's Advisory Panel on Federal

Salary Systems, Cambridge, Mass---
Sulmeyer, Irving, chairman, Bankruptcy Study Group--
Thwaite, C. E., Jr., Trust Co. of Georgia, Atlanta, Ga---

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