with research and development, and a very large part of this is oscillographs, that is, film for oscillographs, films for chronographs, in which we measure the velocity of projectiles, and things of that nature. Senator O'MAHONEY. What do you do with all the photographs that are taken?

Admiral SCHOEFFEL. When they are film records of oscillograph and chronographs, they are carefully measured to obtain the figures from them and those figures go into computations. As to what becomes of all the straight photographs, sir, they all go into the basic records of the Navy. They are filed in the files of the station, and copies are furnished to the Navy Department.

Senator O'MAHONEY. It must take an awful lot of storage space to file between half-a-million and a million-and-a-half-dollar value of photographs per year.

Admiral SCHOEFFEL. Every station has some stowage space, sir. I have never seen one where the photographic stowage space was other than a modest room or two. Of course, much of these funds here, sir, are in specialized cameras, if I may speak off the record a

moment.

(Off the record.)

Senator O'MAHONEY. I am just anxious to know that in your opinion this money is needed, and that the photographic activities are efficiently carried on and could serve and do serve a real purpose. Admiral SCHOEFFEL. Yes, sir. They are scientific photographic activities in general.

Senator O'MAHONEY. They are not the ordinary photographing of social events or dedications and things of that kind, are they?

Admiral SCHOEFFEL. There is some of that, sir, but it is an extremely minor amount. These funds are substantially and primarily for scientific purposes.

AMOUNT FOR CAMERAS

Senator O'MAHONEY. How much of the total will be for cameras? Admiral SCHOEFFEL. I would estimate that about 60 percent of that total amount would be for equipment; most of which would be

cameras.

Senator O'MAHONEY. That is modern complex photographic machines?

Admiral SCHOEFFEL. Yes, sir; some of them are very complex and very special.

Senator O'MAHONEY. I notice the packing of household effects is running up.

Admiral SCHOEFFEL. Yes, that is primarily here at the Naval Gun Factory in Washington. Here in Washington we are responsible for the packaging of household effects for all those who are entitled to that privilege by law for the whole area round and about. It does not apply merely to the personnel of the Bureau of Ordnance. It applies to all of the personnel in the Navy in the Washington area. Naval Gun Factory's part of that makes up the majority of that figure.

The

Senator O'MAHONEY. You do the packaging for the whole Navy? Admiral SCHOEFFEL. We do the packaging for the whole Navy in the Washington area.

Senator O'MAHONEY. Support of overseas bases is up two-thirds. Admiral SCHOEFFEL. Yes, sir. The major part of the funds requested, $1,845,000, is for the ordnance facilities at bases which are supporting the Korean operations. The funds are required for payment of stevedoring and other charges in connection with the handling of ammunition and for the maintenance and rehabilitation of magazines at the above locations. There are certain other locations mentioned here also, sir. These funds will also be used for the charges involved in the receipt, issue, and surveillance of ammunitions and the magazines. At one station there will also be certain rental costs of facilities which will be more advantageous to the Government than construction of additional facilities.

Senator O'MAHONEY. I observe on pages 5-34, 35, and 36 there is a table of employment at all ordnance shore stations.

Admiral SCHOEFFEL. Yes, sir.

Senator O'MAHONEY. These figures are the same as those which you summarized earlier in your statement, or is there some variance? Admiral SCHOEFFEL. Unfortunately they are not quite the same,

sir. These figures here are the employment at ordnance stations, although some of these people are paid from other appropriations not under the Bureau of Ordnance. The figures I have given you earlier showed the employment from Bureau of Ordnance appropriations, and included some people that we pay for at naval shipyards, so the two lists are not exactly comparable.

Senator O'MAHONEY. What does NAD stand for?

Admiral SCHOEFFEL. Naval ammunition depot.

Senator O'MAHONEY. NOP?

Admiral SCHOEFFEL. Naval ordnance plant.

Senator O'MAHONEY. I think you ought to explain NTS.

Admiral SCHOEFFEL. Naval torpedo stations.

Senator O'MAHONEY. If there is no objection, we will insert these three pages in the record, together with this statement you have made distinguishing this list from the list that was given earlier.

Admiral SCHOEFFEL. Yes, sir.

(The tables referred to are as follows:)

Employment at Ordnance shore stations, including personnel paid from all appropriations

Employment at Ordnance shore stations, including personnel paid from appropriations-Continued

Senator O'MAHONEY. Industrial mobilization.

Admiral SCHOEFFEL. I shall ask Mr. Tann to speak to tha may, because he can do so better than I.

Mr. TANN. Yes, sir.

Senator O'MAHONEY. On what page is this?

Mr. TANN. 5–63.

Industrial mobilization is divided into four main categories. gory 1 is the reserve plants, the naval industrial reserve or plants, which are part of our manufacturing and production org tion. Category 2 is preservation of machine tools and prod equipment, including final inspection gages for ammunition. gory 3 are the industrial preparedness measures, of which I list of what are proposed for fiscal 1952, and the fourth cons six measures for interdepartmental planning, where, for insta great deal of our work with contractors is getting them lined industry mobilization planning tasks; that is, plans for the proc of ordnance items which they would be required to produce industrial mobilization planning, is taken care of by variou offices, and we are required to pay our per-bureau share.

Senator O'MAHONEY. I observe that the appropriation for plants is only $515,000 as compared with $2,903,150 for 1951. that mean that most of the reserve plants have been put into a Mr. TANN. It does, sir.

Senator O'MAHONEY. And only a very few remain?

Mr. TANN. Yes, sir.

Senator O'MAHONEY. How many?

Mr. TANN. I think there are 8 out of 22.

Senator O'MAHONEY. Will they all be brought in in 1952?
Mr. TANN. Not all, sir. I think there will be two remaining.

Senator O'MAHONEY. With those reserve plants which are brought into activity in 1952, will the Navy be sufficiently equipped for its needs?

Mr. TANN. With the addition of certain facilities which will become a part of the commercial contractor's contracts, in other words, certain machine tools he will need, or perhaps an alteration to a building, or something of that kind.

Senator O'MAHONEY. Now, in considering the fourth supplemental we made a limitation on the Navy appropriation so as to cut down the amount you could spend on brick and mortar as the phrase goes. Mr. TANN. Yes, sir.

Senator O'MAHONEY. You are not asking for any of that now? Mr. TANN. Yes, sir; there is some in the 1952 estimate.

Senator O'MAHONEY. Where is it?

Mr. TANN. We have in 1952, under land, a request to buy the land which underlies two Government-owned buildings in Pittsfield, Mass. We have owned those buildings since 1941 or early 1942; the land was owned by the General Electric Co. We are now about to buy the underlying land, so we will have complete title to both the buildings and the land.

Senator THYE. Mr. Chairman, may I learn for what those buildings are used?

Mr. TANN. Yes, sir. They are naval ordnance reserve plant No. 1, in Pittsfield, used for the production of the Mark 56 gunfire control system, and the No. 2 plant is used for Mark 35 and Mark 34 torpedo, both of which General Electric is producing for us.

Senator THYE. How did the Government happen to construct these buildings on properties that they did not own at the time? What was the nature of the contract?

Mr. TANN. The nature of the contract for plant No. 1 was a plant that was built for the production of Mark 37 directors, that is, part of the Mark 37 gunfire-control system. Plant No. 2 was a plant that was built by Bureau of Ships, and at the end of the war was taken over by the Bureau of Ordnance because the Bureau of Ships had no longer any interest in the Pittsfield work, whereas we used it as a storage point.

Senator THYE. Did General Electric operate those plants?
Mr. TANN. Yes, sir; both of them.

Senator THYE. What was the nature of the contract that the Government entered into with General Electric at the time they constructed the buildings?

Mr. TANN. That was a facility contract. It was a contract to build a building on the land that was adjacent to and a part of the Pittsfield Ordnance Work Section, as they call it. The Bureau of Ordnance built one building on that land, and the Bureau of Ships built one building.

Senator THYE. What was the rental per year for the use of the and? What rental fee did the Government pay for the use of the land?