Mr. KILDAY. Well, that was the attitude of the committee, that it is novel. It is a new departure. It should be considered in a separate bill We have got about all we can pray over now.

Mr. SHORT. That is right I might say I brought that up because former Senator Scott Lucas, of Illinois, who is interested in thishe represents a firm. He pointed out it doesn't help the manufacturing trailer industry as much as it would help the individual serviceman. There are 125,000 families who are more or less discriminatedMr. KILDAY. Senator Lucas' statement is in the record.

The CHAIRMAN. Is it?

Mr. KILDAY. Yes.

Mr. SHORT. Yes. I have a copy of it.

But here is the point: As long as a man is moved and he is paid for transportation of his household goods and personal belongings, what difference does it make to us whether he moves by train or trailer or anything else? And he gives an illustration whereby men moving their household goods and effects by trailer can do it more cheaply than if they moved by rail.

The CHAIRMAN. I think

Mr. SHORT. Of course, I am against anything that would increase or have a tendency toward promoting a nomadic army of people living in trailers. I think it is a bad thing.

The CHAIRMAN. That is right.

Mr. SHORT. I don't like it.

Mr. RIVERS. Wait now, right there, Mr. Chairman

The CHAIRMAN. Order.

Mr. SHORT. A pancake is never so flat that it doesn't have two sides. There are two sides to it.

The reason I am bringing it up is not because it was introduced by a Republican from Connecticut or because of a former Democrat United States Senator from Illinois. I think both of them have something there.

The CHAIRMAN. Wait 1 minute. I suggest, members of the committee, that this not be contained in this bill. Let's have this bill along the usual line of other bills. We will refer this bill to Mr. Kilday's subcommittee and respectfully request Mr. Kilday's subcommittee to give consideration for advancing the bill and make a report at the earliest possible date that he and his subcommittee can do it.

Mr. ARENDS. Mr. Chairman, in being practical about the matter, it is germane on the floor of the House.

The CHAIRMAN. Of course it is germane

Mr. ARENDS. There may be a motion on the floor of the House. The CHAIRMAN. There may be. I think we should have a long hearing on it, a thorough investigation. If the House will just be patient, no doubt we will reach a decision on it. But it should not be included in this pay bill, even though it is germane.

Mr. KILDAY. Mr. Chairman, if this bill passes during the interim, of course these people will get the advantage of the dislocation allowance.

The CHAIRMAN. That is right.

Mr. KILDAY. Which will be some help in this.

Mr. SHORT. We can handle this similarly to the way we handled the Hinshaw bill, by means of separate legislation.

The CHAIRMAN. That is right exactly. Now, Mr. Miller. Mr. MILLER. Mr. Chairman, as long as we touched on this dislocation allowance, I would like to make this part of the record, that this dislocation allowance should be made promptly. Some question during the hearing came up as to the payment. If it is going to be something that is going to be dragged out through redtape for 3 or 4 months, it is losing its effect. These people need the money when they are moving. I think the services should take cognizance, if that is the thought of this committee; it should be paid promptly. Mr. BLANDFORD. It is in the report.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Kilday, have you anything else on the bill you desire to present to the full committee?

Mr. KILDAY. No. I want to say, of course, we have to get to the floor before they convene. We have to get the thing filed.

The CHAIRMAN. Have you a motion to make?

Mr. KILDAY. I have. Before making the motion, I want to suggest that we file a clean bill. We could have brought the marked up bill to the full committee so there would be an opportunity to see the changes, but

The CHAIRMAN. You will have to get a number on that.

Mr. KILDAY. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. Then we will consider parliamentarily that we are acting on a clean bill with a new number.

Mr. KILDAY. That is right.

The CHAIRMAN. All right.
Mr. KILDAY. I move-

Without objection, it is so ordered.

Mr. GAVIN. At this point, I wonder, Captain Martineau, if you prepared the chart to show the cost of this bill for each individual branch of the service.

Mr. BLANDFORD. We have that.

Mr. KILDAY. It is in the record and it is set out in the record as a separate subject.

Mr. GAVIN. All right.

The CHAIRMAN. What is your next point, Mr. Kilday?

Mr. KILDAY. I move a favorable report of the clean bill.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Kilday moves that the bill to provide incentives for members of the uniformed services by increasing certain pay and allowances, which is now set out in H. R. 2607.

Mr. SMART. As amended.

The CHAIRMAN. And that a new clean bill then be introduced with a new number; that it is reported favorably to the House with the recommendation that it pass.

[Chorus of "Call roll."]

The CHAIRMAN. All in favor when your name is called, vote aye, and all opposed vote no.

Call the roll, please.

(Rollcall)

Mr. RIVERS. We won. [Laughter.]

Mr. SMART. Mr. Chairman, the vote is 32 yes and no nays.

The CHAIRMAN. A quorum being present and by a vote of 32 to 0, it is recommended that the bill be reported to the House favorably. Mr. SHORT. Mr. Chairman, may it forever be remembered by the members of the different branches of the armed services that the House

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HAIRMAN. Now, members of the committee-one minute, now. frow morning at 10 o'clock

r. DURHAM. Mr. Chairman, do you want to take up these two ls?

The CHAIRMAN. Yes, sir. I haven't gotten to it.

Tomorrow morning Mr. Kilday and Mr. Short will appear before the Rules Committee to get a rule.

Mr. SHORT (interposing). And Mr. Johnson.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Johnson.

Mr. SHORT. Mr. Gavin.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Miller and whoever on the subcommittee wishes to go. But if you are not here at 10 o'clock tomorrow, I would like for you to leave your proxy so it can be counted on the vote for the shipbuilding bill. It is necessary to have a quorum here

Mr. RIVERS. To report it out.

The CHAIRMAN. So we can act on the bill.

Mr. BROOKS. Mr. Chairman, can I make one little announcement? The CHAIRMAN. Let me finish this bill, please, sir. I will give you plenty of time.

Now, this bill is set down to be heard on Thursday. And Mr. Kilday and Mr. Short will be in control of the bill. And I certainly trust that every member will be on the floor and at least every member that is on the subcommittee handling this bill will take an active part in presenting this bill to the House.

Now, Mr.

Mr. SHORT. I wanted to ask that Mr. Arends be in charge of the bill for the minority.

The CHAIRMAN. And Mr. Arends. I will announce to the Speaker that Mr. Kilday controls the time and Mr. Short will announce to the Speaker that Mr. Arends controls the time for the minority.

I suggest that you and Mr. Arends and your subcommittee determine how many hours general debate you need to present the bill. That is up to you.

Now, Mr. Brooks.

Mr. BROOKS. Mr. Chairman, before any members get away from the committee, I just want to announce there will be a meeting of Subcommittee No. 1 at 2:30.

The CHAIRMAN. All right.

Mr. BROOKS. I want to get notice to everybody.

The CHAIRMAN. Now, 1 minute. We have other business here. Now, the next matter on the agenda this morning is a report by our distinguished colleague from North Carolina, Subcommittee Chairman No. 3, Mr. Durham.

Mr. DURHAM. Mr. Chairman, your Subcommittee_No. 3 met on February 24 for the consideration of two bills, H. R. 2121, which would provide relief for certain members of the Armed Forces in connection with charges for shipment of household goods from overseas; and H. R. 3761, which would authorize the construction of a nuclear facility for the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics in the Lewis Laboratory, Cleveland, Ohio.

Briefly stated, H. R. 2121 is made necessary by a limitation placed in the 1953 appropriations act whereby the amount of household goods which could be shipped at Government expense was changed by a limitation placed in the appropriations act while certain personnel were overseas. In other words, some individuals took, for example, 10,000 pounds of household goods to an overseas station, but under limitation in the appropriations act could bring back at Government expense only 9,000 pounds, the cost of shipping the other thousand pounds being chargeable to the individual concerned. The total cost is estimated to be $68,500 and the number of personnel affected about 680. The testimony indicated that the average payment would be about $100 and that no single individual or small group would profit under the bill.

The CHAIRMAN. How much money?

Mr. DURHAM. The total expense is $68,500.

The CHAIRMAN. Without objection, the bill is favorably reported. And Mr. Durham will place it on the Consent Calendar.

Mr. DURHAM. The other bill concerned H. R. 3761, involving the nuclear reactor which had been removed from H. R. 2581, the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics' construction program for fiscal year 1956. Prior to and during the hearing the subcommittee had further opportunity to consider all aspects of this authorization, including its relationship to the reactor program of the Atomic Energy Commission, and reported the bill out favorably and without amendment. It is my thought, however, that in lieu of continuing action on this bill it might well become an amendment to H. R. 2581 over in the Senate. Mr. Kelleher has discussed this with the Senate committee staff and it appears that this may prove to be a reasonable solution. Mr. Chairman, I move favorable consideration of H. R. 2121 and also of the subcommittee's suggestion as to the manner in which H. R. 3761 would be dealt with.

The CHAIRMAN. That is right. I think the course suggested is a wise one. The committee will understand that Mr. Durham, who wanted to make some investigation in regard to this reactor, had it left out. We passed the other phase of the bill. Now, after investigating it, he thinks it should have been authorized. So this bill is an authorization of some $4.8 million. We will put it on the calendar. We will not ask for a rule. And if the Senate carries a reactor in their bill, we will call it up from the Speaker's desk and agree to the Senate amendment. Is that correct?

Mr. DURHAM. (Nods).

Mr. SHORT. Mr. Chairman, I imagine that is the way you would have to do it, since it is in excess of $1 million. You couldn't get it through by unanimous consent.

The CHAIRMAN. We won't ask for a rule for the time being.
Is there any other bill from your subcommittee, Mr. Durham?
Mr. DURHAM. No.

The CHAIRMAN. Now, Mr. Brooks.

Mr. BROOKS. Yes. Mr. Chairman, we have here H. R. 3014, which is by Mr. McCormack, of Massachusetts, to authorize the personnel of the Armed Forces to train for, to attend, and participate in the 2d Pan American games, the 7th Olympic winter games, the games of the 16th Olympiad, future Pan American games, and Olympic games generally.

Now, that bill was considered by the subcommittee the other day. We have here a report from the Department of the Air Force which is signed by the Secretary. It is favorable to the bill.

Now, when we took it up, the subcommittee proposed an amendment. I am going to ask Mr. Ducander to explain the amendment.

But before I do so the purpose of the bill is to simply permit our armed services personnel to take part in the Olympic games. It is a valuable thing for the United States to be able to participate in the games and also to have the Armed Forces participate. As far as I am concerned, I want to see them go to the Olympic games and bring back the cups to the United States and not let them go to Russia. So I have been very strong for the bill.

Mr. RIVERS. Without objection.

Mr. BROOKS. Now, Mr. Ducander, could you explain that amendment?

Mr. DUCANDER. The bill as originally drawn had no limit as to funds to be authorized. The subcommittee felt it ought to write in a ceiling as far as money is concerned.

The CHAIRMAN. What is the total amount authorized to be spent for training or participating at the Olympic event?

Mr. DUCANDER. The total amount for the Department of Defense as the subcommittee amendment reads, is $800,000 over a period of 4 years.

The CHAIRMAN. $800,000 for a period of 4 years.

Mr. DUCANDER. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Now, I understand from Mr. Smart that this matter would probably have some amendments over in the Senate. Mr. DUCANDER. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. The Senate committee is now considering it, and it will probably have some amendments.

Now, if you pass this by consent-you can get on the Consent Calendar-no doubt it will be before the Senate acts on it. But you have to bear that in mind. Or else we may wait before we call it up on the floor of the House and see what the Senate brings in and then accept the Senate bill instead of this bill.

Mr. DUCANDER. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Or agree to the Senate amendment. We will watch that.

Mr. BROOKS. It is rather urgent.

The CHAIRMAN. Without objection

Mr. VAN ZANDT. Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask the question whether or not there is contained in the report any indication that this bill may include Reserves who may be called back to active duty voluntarily.

Mr. RIVERS. They are members of the armed services.

Mr. VAN ZANDT. Just a minute, now.

Mr. BROOKS. We had a report on your request, Mr. Van Zandt, while you were absent.

Mr. VAN ZANDT. Is that going to be incorporated in our report in the bill?

Mr. DUCANDER. If this committee reports the bill it will be included in the report.

The CHAIRMAN. Without objection, the bill is favorably reported with the amendments, and Mr. Brooks will report the bill. We will