Sergeant JACQUOT. 1512 years, sir.
Mr. KILDAY. Are you married?
Sergeant JACQUOT. Yes.

Mr. KILDAY. How many children do you have?
Sergeant JACQUOT. Four.

Mr. KILDAY. In your 151⁄2 years of service, how many permanent changes of station have you had?

Sergeant JACQUOT. Well, that would be hard to say, sir, because from 1939 through 1945 during the First World War, why I spent practically the entire time overseas, so I couldn't actually count it. Since the end of the first war-I mean of World War II, in 1945, approximately five.

Mr. KILDAY. Do you know what this bill would do for you?
Sergeant JACQUOT. Yes, sir.

Mr. KILDAY. What would it mean to you, Sergeant?

Sergeant JACQUOT. Approximately $28 a month raise, sir.
Mr. KILDAY. Would that be a help?

Sergeant JACQUOT. Yes, sir.

Mr. KILDAY. Where do you live?

Sergeant JACQUOT. Well, when I came up to Washington in 1952, which was at the time Korea was in its peak or just slacking off a little, you couldn't get a place here to rent, I mean the lowest one I could find was $135 to $140 a month for myself and wife and four children. So I bought a house in Virginia.

Mr. KILDAY. You have in 151⁄2 years of service, and in 42 years more you will be eligible for the Fleet Reserve?

Sergeant JACQUOT. Yes, sir.

Mr. KILDAY. What are your plans? Are you loking to 20 or 30? Sergeant JACQUOT. Twenty, sir.

Mr. KILDAY. You will go into the Fleet Reserve at the end of 20. Sergeant JACQUOT. No, sir; take straight retirement pay and go out. Mr. KILDAY. Go out at 20.

Sergeant JACQUOT. I will be carried on the retired list but won't go into the Fleet Reserve for the additional 10 years.

Mr. KILDAY. I understand.

Now, as to men of less service: what do you think are the prospects of our holding these men, for instance, who are in their first enlistment, in the light of what we did last year in the reenlistment bonus and what is proposed in this bill as to pay?

Do you think it would give us a better chance?

Sergeant JACQUOT. The reenlistment bonus, yes, sir, because you can take a man who is wavering, I mean he doesn't know if he wants to go out or he wants to stay. And you can put a set amount of money in front of him, say, "If you reenlist it is going to be $800," to a corporal or sergeant 21, 22 years old $800 right in his hand, that is a lot of money.

And if he is not decided about going out, he will reenlist.

The provisions of this bill to the people we would like to keep, that is our corporals and sergeants of higher IQ's, and so forth, who have enough intelligence to look ahead to see that even though the raise they get at the present time in their present rank isn't overgenerous, at least, it keeps going up as they keep increasing in rank.

I think it would be a help. I don't think anyone who has an offer of a high-paying job on the outside, I don't think $27 a month will make him change his mind.

However, the people who are undecided about going out, it would help keep them in.

Mr. KILDAY. Particularly the fact that Congress has shown enough interest to say that at the end of certain numbers of years, you are going to get a substantial increase.

Sergeant JACQUOT. Yes, sir, that will be very helpful. That step increase at those critical periods here.

Mr. KILDAY. In other words, the step increase in your opinion would constitute the real incentive for a man to stay on.

Sergeant JACQUOT. Yes, sir.

Mr. KILDAY. The fact that he will be getting ahead, look forward, as you already are, a master sergeant at the end of 20, retirement then if he wants it, at half pay, or retirement at the end of 30 if he preferred to stay on, at three-fourths pay.

Sergeant JACQUOT. Yes, sir.

Mr. KILDAY. And at the same time, he is doing well enough that he could take care of his family as he goes along.

Seargeant JACQUOT. Yes, sir.

Mr. KILDAY. Mr. Blandford, this is your service.

Mr. BLANDFORD. Yes, sir.

Mr. MILLER. Didn't you notice the stars in his eyes, didn't you see them sparkling?

Mr. BLANDFORD. I won't embarrass the sergeant by asking him to relate where he was between 1939 and 1945. It is sufficient that he was out of the country.

I just hope he had the privilege of serving with the First Marine

Division.

Sergeant JACQUOT. He did.

Mr. MILLER. Now, you are in, Sergeant.

Mr. WILSON. That is all.

[Laughter.]

Mr. BLANDFORD. Have you looked over these new warrant-officer pay scales in this proposed bill?

Sergeant JACQUOT. In the Marine Corps, our warrant-officer program, as far as I am concerned, is practically dead. We don't have very much to look forward to as far as warrant is concerned.

Mr. BLANDFORD. You mean because there are not enough openings? Sergeant JACQUOT. We are not making that many warrants. I don't believe we have made any warrants-we have made one group of warrants in 2 or 3 years.

Mr. BLANDFORD. That is because so many of your temporary officers are moving back into these grades.

Sergeant JACQUOT. When they revert temporaries, which a great percent of our officers are now, who were commissioned from master sergeant, many of them qualify as warrants, although we are not reverting.

Mr. BLANDFORD. That is right. That may account for it. But if this program should open up again, and the Marine Corps has completed a rather extensive study on the warrant-officer structure, they have reduced of course the number of classifications calling for warrant jobsisn't that correct, Major Stockman?

Major STOCKMAN. That is correct.

Mr. BLANDFORD. But when they reopen the warrant officer program I would think there would be more opportunity in the future for individuals to go on to warrant officers. Do you think that that possibly would entice you, if you had an opportunity to become a warrant officer to stay beyond 20 years, or have you more or less made up your mind that you want to take your half pay and go into some other field?

Sergeant JACQUOT. No, sir, I would like to, and have had the ambition to, be commissioned or warrant, however, I believe that at the present time a master sergeant, we are almost stagnated now. We make master sergeant in the Marines and that is it.

So you make master with 12 to 14 years, you have nothing to look forward to but master sergeant.

Mr. BLANDFORD. That is why these basic pay increments are in this pay bill that we propose here, may appeal to a lot of people to continue on.

Sergeant JACQUOT. Up to 22 and 26.

Mr. BLANDFORD. Yes, that is right.

Sergeant JACQUOT. The last 4 years a man from 26 to 30, when he has actually reached the peak of his knowledge and supposedly his most value to the service, there is no incentive to stay the last 4 years. Mr. BLANDFORD. There is no increment beyond 26.

Sergeant JACQUOT. No, sir.

Mr. BLANDFORD. But at that point of course he has a very definite investment in retirement, the other 4 years are going to make a difference of 10-percent retired pay.

Sergeant JACQUOT. Yes, sir.

Mr. BLANDFORD. So that plays an important part in his thinking,

I am sure.

We have a dislocation allowance in this bill which amounts to a month's quarters allowance, and you have five dependents, I imagine, that would be of some interest to you?

Sergeant JACQUOT. Very much, sir, yes, sir, because whenever I move now I have to put the wife and four children in the car and find a new place to stay until I can either buy or rent a house.

Mr. BLANDFORD. Have you ever attempted to keep track of how much it actually costs you out of your own pocket?

Sergeant JACQUOT. My bank account does very well on that score. Mr. BLANDFORD. You mean you don't have any bank account? Sergeant JACQUOT. No. My last duty station before coming to headquarters was Paris Island, with the recruit battalion. We had quarters on the base, and during that period my wife worked and we saved a little money. So then when I came up here we spent what little money we had saved. Without counting the cost of the house, but in leaving our quarters and until we-we lived in a tourist court for 2 weeks, buying meals 3 times a day for ourselves, and the children, it cost me right around $500, all expenses.

Mr. BLANDFORD. To make that permanent change of station.
Sergeant JACQUOT. Yes, sir.

Mr. BLANDFORD. At one time, Captain Martineau stated to the subcommittee that three moves in the service is equivalent to one good fire. Would you concur in that?

Sergeant JACQUOT. I will buy that, yes, sir.

Mr. BLANDFORD. I know that when I moved back to my home after I left the Marine Corps that I literally shook a radio out of a packing barrel and even the tubes were broken, which is a hard thing to do. Have you had any experience with breakage in moving?

Sergeant JACQUOT. I have had, not breakage as much as just general deterioration, scratching and so forth. Actually, there is no way you can prevent that.

Mr. BLANDFORD. Actually, the cost to you really comes in paying the out-of-pocket expenses between duty stations, that is the cost of motels, and food and all that sort of thing.

Sergeant JACQUOT. Yes, sir.

Well, for instance, when they packed my furniture, from Parris Island we came up here and moved in, the van came by way of Norfolk and several other stops, it didn't get here for 2 weeks with our furniture and household goods.

Mr. BLANDFORD. So you had to go into a motel for that time? Sergeant JACQUOT. Yes, sir, and to feed that crew of mine in a restaurant 3 or 4 times a day why

(Laughter.)

Mr. BLANDFORD. I have no further questions.

All boys, Sergeant?

Sergeant JACQUOT. One girl.

Mr. KILDAY. Those boys eat you out of house and home.
Mr. MILLER?

Mr. MILLER. No questions.

Mr. KILDAY. Mr. Wilson, Mr. Bennett, Mr. Huddleston? (No response.)

Thank you, Sergeant. We appreciate your coming.

Lieutenant Colonel SULLOWAY.

Come around, Colonel, have a seat.

Colonel SULLOWAY. Good morning, sir.

Mr. KILDAY. Have a seat.

Mr. BLANDFORD. Your name?

Colonel SULLOWAY. Alexander Mark Sulloway, lieutenant colonel, my position is chief of the Airmen's Division, Headquarters Tactical Air Command, Langley Air Force Base, Va.

Mr. BLANDFORD. Chief of what, Colonel?

Colonel SULLOWAY. Airmen's Division, Headquarters Tactical Air Command, Langley Air Force Base, Va.

Mr. BLANDFORD. Now, Colonel, I presume that your job brings you in constant contact with airmen at Langley Field?

Colonel SULLOWAY. Yes, sir.

Mr. BLANDFORD. Do you have the assignment of trying to talk people into staying in the Air Force?

Colonel SULLOWAY. Yes, sir, that is one of my four jobs.
Mr. BLANDFORD. How successful are you in your job?
Colonel SULLOWAY. May I refer to some statistics?

Mr. BLANDFORD. Yes, that is what I would like to have.

Colonel SULLOWAY. We have been experiencing a constant drop in reenlistments since last year. Our average for last year was 29.4 percent. For the month of December, the reenlistment rate for Tactical Air Command was 13 percent. For the month of January, it is up to 20 percent.

Average has run, approximately, cumulative average runs about 17 percent.

You might ask me about the impact on the reenlistment bonus; during the months of July and August our enlistment rate jumped from approximately 25 or 27 percent to, I believe, 43 percent for the month of July, 42 percent for the month of August.

Mr. ARENDS. Why the 7 percent jump in January?
Colonel SULLOWAY. Sir?

Mr. ARENDS. Why the 7 percent jump in January ?

Colonel SULLOWAY. Trying to beat the end of the GI bill, sir.

Mr. BLANDFORD. Plus Christmas bills that came in.

Colonel SULLOWAY. Right.

Mr. BLANDFORD. January is usually a good reenlistment and original enlistment month, is it not?

Colonel SULLOWAY. Yes, it is.

Mr. BLANDFORD. You have a large number of people who enlist in the service in January, waiting until after Christmas before they enlist in the service and since they are volunteers you normally would have a large reenlistment rate in January since those enlistments would be terminating in January of every 3 or 4 years.

Colonel SULLOWAY. Yes, sir.

Mr. BLANDFORD. Is that not true also of the month of July, right after the boys finish high school, your original enlistments go up in the month of July and therefore, the reenlist rate in July is normally higher than it would be in any other month?

Colonel SULLOWAY. Yes, sir, it is, it is a series of peaks of salary, our high month is normally October, and you will find just at the end of school, June is a very poor month.

Mr. BLANDFORD. That is when the boys want to go south for the winter?

Colonel SULLOWAY. That is right.

Mr. BLANDFORD. Now, I am sure that you have had some information on this proposed pay increase, and that you have been able to discuss it with people who are coming in to you, to discuss whether or not they are going to reenlist. What is your impression as to what effect this proposed bill will have upon the minds of those young men whose enlistments are about to expire?

Colonel SULLOWAY. That satisfies one of the basic and primary needs which is security. To use some statistics, if you will bear with me just a moment, from the 1st of December until the 1st of July in Tactical Air Command we would lose 9,200 people.

Of those 9,200 people, two thirds, a little better than 6,000 are going to get out, who are staff sergeants, airmen first class, or buck sergeants. Most of these people are married and have at least one child, second one on the way. They cannot break even with the amount of money that they are making.

So that either the wife has to work or the man has to work on an additional job to break even. In that category most of the boys will earn approximately from their salaries and allowances a little better than $200.

Primarily on the first enlistment. They pay $75 for quarters to rent, $25 for utilities, that leaves them $100 to feed three people, take care of medical expenses, dental expenses, clothes, clothing, incidentals, they can't break even.