Comparison between present and proposed incentive pay for hazardous duty-officers Years of service Pay grade Under 2 Over 2 Over 3 Over 4 Over 6 Over 8 Over 10 Over 12 Over 14 Over 16 Over 18 Over 22 Over 26 Over 30 Over 35 Major: New. $170.00 13.33 13.33 $170.00 $180.00 $180.00 $180.00 $195.00 $210.00 $215.00 $150.00 $150.00 $150.00 $150.00 $150.00 $150.00 $150.00 $150.00 $20.00 $20.00 $30.00 $30.00 $30.00 $45.00 $60.00 $65.00 20.00 20.00 20.00 30.00 40.00 43.33 $220.00 $230.00 $240.00 $240.00 $240.00 $240.00 $150.00 $150.00 $150.00 $150.00 $150.00 $150.00 $70.00 $80.00 $90.00 $90.00 $90.00 $90.00 46.67 53.33 60.00 60.00 60.00 60.00 $190.00 $200.00 $205.00 $205.00 $205.00 $205.00 $205.00 $205.00 $120.00 $120.00 $120.00 $120.00 $120.00 $120.00 $120.00 $120.00 $70.00 $80.00 $85.00 $85.00 $85.00 $85.00 $85.00 $85.00 58.33 70.83 20.83 20.83 25.00 37.50 66.67 70.83 70.83 70.83 70.83 70.83 $115.00 $125.00 $110.00 $110.00 $150.00 $150.00 $160.00 $165.00 $170.00 $110.00 $110.00 $110.00 $110.00 $110.00 $40.00 $40.00 $50.00 $55.00 $60.00 36.36 36.36 45.45 50.00 54.55 $100.00 $105.00 Present. $100.00 $100.00 $135.00 $100.00 $135.00 $140.00 $145.00 $155.00 $160.00 $170.00 $170.00 $100.00 $100.00 $100.00 $100.00 $100.00 $100.00 $100.00 $100.00 $35.00 $35.00 $40.00 $45.00 $55.00 $60.00 $70.00 $70.00 $70.00 $70.00 $70.00 $70.00 Colonel CORBIN. These are the career points, with the percentages in, and down here, you will note this is second lieutenant with 3 years service, which is the last point. I have blocked this all out to explain this area. Of course, these two up here have what amounts to a $10 raise. That is just the percentage multiplied back. Mr. KILDAY. When you say up here, you mean what? Colonel COREIN. Major general and brigadier general. The colonel, at "over 16," at this point selected, will get what amounts to a $10 raise. You will note for the colonel, multiplying the same percentages, he would get down here in the "Under 2" column and the "Over 2," a loss of $10. We have very few colonels in that area. Mr. BLANDFORD. Colonel, would you explain why you departed from you obligated period of service theory in the basic pay increases when you got into incentive pay? As I see that, you are proposing an increase for an officer with under 3 years of service in flight pay; is that right? Colonel CORBIN. No. There is an increase in here but this is the result of multiplying by the new percentages. Mr. BLANDFORD. I know. Colonel CORPIN. When we get into full tables I will show you that. Mr. BLANDFORD. What has happened is that for the first time now, in the pay scale, we have given an increase to somebody who is serving in an obligated period of service. Colonel CORBIN. That is right. Mr. BLANDFORD. We did not do that in the basic pay increase. Mr. BLANDFORD. There must be some justification. Mr. KILDAY. Is he obligated to do flying duty? Colonel CORBIN. No, sir. Mr. KILDAY. It is a period of obligated miltary service but is it a period of obligated air service? Colonel CORBIN. At no point is he obligated to perform this socalled hazardous duty. Mr. BLANDFORD. That gets into a questionable point Mr. Chairman. I think we ran into that some time ago when we had some officers who refused to fly, and disastrous things happened to them. When an officer goes through aviation cadet training, or a young man goes through aviation cadet training and agrees to serve on active duty for 3 years as a pilot, he would find it rather difficult to resign to start with, and wouldn't he find it a little difficult to get out of flying entirely? Colonel CORBIN. Speaking as a judge advocate, Mr. Blandford, he wouldn't find it a bit difficult to get out of flying. Mr. BLANDFORD. Speaking as a judge advocate he wouldn't because you would say he has the right to fly or not as he sees fit. But, Colonel Wells, speaking as a pilot, what would happen to that man? Colonel WELLS. Well, sir, we try to persuade them to fly. Mr. BLANDFORD. You sure do. And if he doesn't fly he is liable to find himself up before a board. Colonel WELLS. That is true. Mr. BLANDFORD. And has, I might add. Mr. BLANDFORD. I merely raise the point because this is a deviation. from the theory here of not paying people who are in an obligated period of service. Mr. KILDAY. I think it should be developed for the record, and I doubt very much if we want to force the man to fly who doesn't want to fly. You persuade him, and what not. Colonel CORBIN. I might add, sir, that in going through this scale, having developed these ratios, the rest of the whole table is derived by direct multiplication with the basic pays, and as it comes out, so it will show, and there will be increases in the area in which Mr. Blandford mentioned. Let's take down here our new second lieutenant. There is no increase there, as you will note, coming in at $100, the new and the present. Mr. BLANDFORD. Eighteen months later he is a first lieutenant. Mr. BLANDFORD. So he is still under 2 years. Colonel CORBIN. He will get an incentive raise. At that point he is also a pilot, but when he came in, this was an incentive to go into pilot training but he was returning no useful value to theAir Force at that point. We want him to get into this area of big dollar raises. Mr. RIVERS. Could I inquire there-take a captain. Under this "Over 10 years," under this bill, he gets a base of how much? Colonel CORBIN. His basic pay for 10 years for a captain is Mr. RIVERS. How do you arrive at that? Add up all those figures there? Colonel CORBIN. No, sir. This is only the incentive pay for the performance of hazardous duty here. Mr. RIVERS. Did you say $436 what? Colonel CORBIN. Point 80. Mr. RIVERS. How did that apply to the old scales? Colonel WELLS. $335, sir. Mr. RIVERS. It goes from $338 to $385 to $436. What do you add to that? Colonel CORBIN. $190. Mr. RIVERS. What does that represent? Colonel CORBIN. That is the new hazard pay. Mr. RIVERS. As against what? Colonel CORBIN. $120 which is the present, a $70 raise, which amounts to 48.33 percent increase. Mr. RIVERS. I wanted to take one case for the record. Mr. HARDY. What does that make his total pay then? Admiral GRENFELL. $620.60 Mr. RIVERS. That is roughly $7,500 a year. Mr. BATES. Plus subsistence and plus rental allowance. Mr. RIVERS. That is for a captain with over 10 years service. Colonel CORBIN. Yes. Mr. RIVERS. Roughly $7,500 a year plus subsistence and quarters. Mr. BLANDFORD. As a matter of fact, now you are in the realm, of course, of the greatest increases provided in this bill. These are substantial increases, as you can see. Mr. RIVERS. That is really the productive end of his career. Mr. BLANDFORD. That is the whole theory. The first and second lieutenants and captains are the ones that really get the tremendous increases here and then the majors also to some extent, because they are the ones that are doing most of the flying, and that is the reason these people are not staying in the service; it is a very substantial increase. People are going to do exactly what you did, and start figuring quarters allowance, subsistence allowance, basic pay, and flight pay, and it all comes up for a captain with 10 years of service to well over $800 a month. On the other hand, he is flying a $1,200,000 airplane. Mr. RIVERS. Those categories you mentioned are critical categories? Colonel CORBIN. Particularly in these grades from first lieutenant through lieutenant colonel; yes. Mr. WILSON. This is the point where your B-47 pilot comes into his most important area. He has had 10 or 12 years of lead time bringing him up to this point, and right when he is trained is when you need to retain him. Colonel CORBIN. We have to keep him. There is no question. Mr. RIVERS. At that point how much investment have you got when he gets to be a major and lieutenant colonel and getting into the 47 and 52? Colonel CORBIN. I have no figures on that. It is enormous I know. Colonel WELLS. Mr. Chairman, I would like to say that these cost figures are very controversial, as you know. But we have run some exercises and we have estimated that there is probably about $600,000 invested in that man in training and prerequisite experience, assuming that all of this prerequisite experience is required and assuming this is not productive of other things. Mr. KILDAY. Of course, you couldn't come to a cost accounting figure on it. Colonel WELLS. No, sir. Mr. KILDAY. There is one distinction between training a man to fly and training him as an artillery man. He can be trained on the artillery piece that he would use in combat. He can't be trained in flying on the combat plane that he would use. He starts in a trainer that is for no other purpose. Colonel WELLS. Yes. Mr. KILDAY. I will grant you, that doesn't hold true all the way through after he gets into SAC perhaps. There is a tremendous amount of equipment there that is designed, built and usable for training only. Colonel WELLS. That is true. We have figured that this figure represents the total investment that the Air Force has in the man. In other words, how much money we have spent on him up to that point. Some of that he has returned to us in productive flying. Mr. RIVERS. By the time he gets out of the T-33 it is about 23 months, isn't it? Colonel WELLS. Into what type aircraft? |