TABLE 3.-Complete development of all recreation facilities on the reservoir. (Does not include moneys on Table 1 and 2.)

TABLE 4.-COMPLETE DEVELOPMENT OF ALL FACILITIES ON THE RESERVOIR

8, 169, 000 5,553, 000

Tables 1 through 4 indicate construction costs only. Operating overhead of 33 percent for Washington Office, Regional Office, and Supervisor's Office should be added for total appropriation.

TABLE 5.-SUMMARY OF CAVE RUN RESERVOIR, KY., REQUIRED CONSTRUCTION FUNDS

Judge LANE. I want to add this to it and it is included possibly in our statement. We have an area development district in the five counties which were referred to and as the Congressman mentioned we are in Applachia and are poor mouthing like most Appalachian counties do. We are not even in the coal mining section.

Mrs. HANSEN. Where is the industry located?

Judge LANE. The coal mining industry is in southeast Kentucky. We are in east central Kentucky. This lake would be on the Lincoln River, which flows from south to north, across from Cincinnati, flows into the Ohio River there but this is about midway.

We have no industry in three of the five counties, absolutely no industries, not an industrial employee in three of these five counties. One of the counties is building up. The county that I represent has built up some industry on the western edge.

So, we have been looking in our area development district for ways of building jobs for our people. We ceased on the land just below the dam which is approximately 22,000 acres of flatland in this valley, which is now flooded but which would be flood free hopefully, with the dam in.

We have developed an idea of a large industrial park there with a new town to go in it. Of course, the new town idea, planners grab ahold of that and we have had a lot of help when we proposed the new town idea. We have been carrying it along very well. It had its ups and downs. Of course, it depends primarily on the damming in buffer essentially on the recreational advantages that would be offered with the lake. The Forest Service people-this is fairly unique that the Forest Service puts in recreational facilities, as you know. This is only maybe the third or fourth time they have planned the facilities and their plans are tremendous. It will be entirely surrounded by forest. There won't be any cottages overlooking the lake. But the plans over a period of time are over $22 million in improvement by the Forest Service. So, we have keyed a lot of our plans for the indus

trial and commercial development to the recreational facilities and if they don't go in we are hung on this other development also.

So, we are very, very concerned about it. Our counties are poor counties and in these counties directly involved most of the farmland is in the river valley and they have lost it already, they have lost the taxable income from this farmland and they have been promised and its hopes of the people there is something else is going to come in to replace it, the recreation income. And hopefully, the industrial area. So, this has been the hope for our people and they were really sold on this lake. They fought it for several years, a good many of them, but were given the idea something else, maybe better, was going to replace it and they went for it.

Congressman Perkins has been with this for many years and some of his letters indicate this was sold to the people this was what we are going to have, too. If these recreational facilities don't go in we are not going to have it. These are the recreational facilities and roads that are necessary. Unless this money goes in this year we believe it is killed. We appreciate the opportunity of appearing before you. Mrs. HANSEN. Thank you very much.

Mr. PERKINS. Mayor Layne, do you want to say something?

Mayor LAYNE. I feel Judge Lane said enough there. I could go on but we won't take the time.

Mrs. HANSEN. We are very pleased to have the very distinguished Chairman of the Education and Labor Committee. I had the privilege of serving on that committee with our distinguished congressman for 2 years.

Mr. PERKINS. We regretted to see you leave the committee just like we regret to see our other friend, Congressman Reifel, leave this Congress. Let me say it was a great loss when you left our committee.

This reservoir, in the estimate of the Corps of Engineers, is a $30million-plus project and the construction of recreational facilities by the Forest Service is $22 million. Last year we got off to a bad start. There was $6 million put in the Corps of Engineers budget and it was cut back to $3.8 million or something like that. This year we have $6,800,000 in the budget, but $3.2 million of that amount will be for construction of roads that fit into this recreational plan.

The Forest Service and the Corps of Engineers negotiated from 1964 up to 1968 before they arrived at the responsibilities under an interdepartmental agreement. Notwithstanding the delay it had last. year, the Corps of Engineers is way ahead of the Forest Service. The corps will tell you if you want to call them in here, that if the Forest Service does not get moving on these facilities, it is going to hold up the whole project down there.

There was $100,000 in the President's budget for this project. The Forest Service realized its mistake and came out and advocated the addition of $700,000. But in truth and fact it could not only efficiently utilize the $800,000 but it could use an additional $900,000 the amount presently scheduled for fiscal 1972, as well. We are not asking you for that amount. But it could efficiently use $1,700,000 which would be a saving of funds in the long run.

Last year, the Forest Service had for roads down there an expenditure of some $320,000. That sum was frozen for the Forest Service. Not one dime was spent. So, we are getting behind here on the development of the recreational facilities.

It is just as John Watts and Judge Lane stated, we have these low-income counties. I have driven down this valley on several occasions. If we don't develop the recreational aspects, since we have taken the best land from Menifee County, the only real good land in the county, we would be derelict as representing the people down there. The Forest Service first advocated a primitive hunting ground for the area, and we jumped on them about not developing the whole reservoir area. Highway I-64 going in front of it and the Mountain Parkway in the back of it. There are five or six of these low-income counties in the area. And after we argued with the Forest Service in 1968 they came up with this recreational plan.

It is an unusual situation here because this is an area where the Forest Service owns about 85 percent of the land known as the Daniel Boone National Forest. It is an unusual situation and we will be mighty thankful for you to make this money available so that the thing proceeds in a moderate way. This will only let it proceed in a modest way, but it will get some lines laid that must be laid at this time.

Mrs. HANSEN. Thank you so much, Congressman Perkins and Congressman Watts.

Mr. REIFEL. Madam Chairman, I want to commend Congressman Perkins and Congressman Watts for bringing Judge Lane and Mr. Layne and Mr. Schneider. I know you have come up at considerable expense to yourselves. I was interested in the Judge's comment about land being inundated, the good farmland and people promised they were going to get something in lieu of it but it is slow in coming. I hope we can find our way clear to accomplish the purpose for which you gave your time to come before this committee.

Mr. PERKINS. We have the breakdown of the figures from the Forest Service here for you.

Mrs. HANSEN. Thank you very much.

Mr. WATTS. I want to conclude by saying it has been much more enjoyable being in here than listening to the debate on the family assistance welfare bill.

Mrs. HANSEN. Thank you again. It has been a pleasure to have you here.

INDIANA DUNES NATIONAL LAKESHORE PARK

WITNESS

HON. RAY J. MADDEN, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF INDIANA

Mrs. HANSEN. It is a great pleasure to welcome our very distinguished member of the Rules Committee. We are happy to have you here, Congressman Madden.

Mr. MADDEN. Madam Chairman, I appreciate this opportunity to testify before your committee in behalf of thousands of Hoosiers for the dire need of necessary funds to develop a great national park in northern Indiana-the Dunes National Lakeshore Park.

I commend the gentlelady from the State of Washington, Mrs. Hansen, and all our colleagues on the subcommittee and the full committee, for the outstanding work done on this bill. The appro

priation for the Dunes National Park permanently guarantees the eventual construction of this great recreation area on the south shore of Lake Michigan. Approximately 10 million people in the Calumet region, Chicagoland, northern Indiana, and southern Michigan are within an hour's drive by automobile and, in the very near future, I hope can enjoy a park facility the finest in our Nation.

For over 50 years, we have fought to preserve this remarkable area. Nowhere on this continent is there a greater variety of plant life-over 1,300 varieties of plants-20 varieties of orchids. We urge your assistance in preserving this great recreational, scenic, and scientific resource by appropriating and making available the funds as set out in the budget, and even more. The recreational needs are obvious in this section of the country which is so close to the largest industrial complex in the Nation. It will be but a few years, with the scientific progress we are making on methods to eliminate pollution-both water and airuntil this lakeshore and natural park will become a haven for millions both now and future generations. The quality of life in this smogfilled region will be improved immeasurably by the easy availability of this recreational resource.

For many years, I have appeared before the committee urging the passage of the Dunes National Lakeshore bill, and appropriating the necessary money to complete the park, in order that the folks may enjoy a great national park in northern Indiana.

I do hope this committee will uphold the actions of the Congress and appropriate the necessary funds to develop a great conservation and recreation park which will be utilized by millions in years to come. I urge you to keep faith with the people and approve the entire appropriation.

I commend the committee for holding hearings and making time available for the folks to testify who, over the years, have spent untold hours in an effort to see a dream come true-the Dunes National Lakeshore Park in the Calumet region of northern Indiana. Mrs. HANSEN, Thank you.

BUREAU OF COMMERCIAL FISHERIES

WITNESS

HON. PATSY T. MINK, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF HAWAII

Mrs. HANSEN. We now have our very distinguished colleague, Congresswoman Mink.

Mrs. MINK. Madam Chairman and distinguished members of the subcommittee, I am happy to have this opportunity to present my views on behalf of increased funding for the U.S. fisheries program.

As a Representative from Hawaii I am thoroughly convinced of the importance of fishing not only to my State, but to the national economy as well, and to the future growth of the food needs of the world.

As a member of the House Committee on the Interior which has jurisdiction over our Nation's fisheries program, I have urged the enactment of programs to meet our State, National, and international responsibilities for increased fishing research and assistance.