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Messer, Roy A., legislative representative, National Association of Post
Office and General Services Maintenance Employees-.
Murphy, John J., president, National Customs Association
Murphy, Hon. Richard J., Assistant Postmaster General, Bureau of Per-
sonnel, accompanied by Dr. Herbert Block, Director, Compensation
Division; Mrs. Anne P. Flory, Assistant Director, Compensation Divi-
sion; and Adam Wenchel, Associate General Counsel..
O'Connor, John F., legislative director, United Federation of Postal Clerks_
Owen, Vaux, president, National Federation of Federal Employees---
Payne, Clyde R., secretary-treasurer, National Association of Agricultural
Stabilization and Conservation Service County Employees (NASCOE)-
Pellerzi, L. M., president, the Federal Trial Examiners Conference__
Raffensperger, James W., president, National Society of Federal Engi-
neers, Scientists, and Allied Professionals_

Robbins, Paul H., executive director, National Society of Professional
Engineers, presented by Milton F. Lunch, legislative counsel.
Segal, Bernard G. chairman Committee on Judicial Selection, Tenure,
and Compensation, American Bar Association___

Silvergleid, David, secretary-treasurer, National Postal Union__

Snyder, John P., executive director, National Association of Postmasters

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Staats, Hon. Elmer B., Deputy Director, Bureau of the Budget, accom-

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Vaughn, William T., legislative representative, National League of Post-
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Whitehurst, Elmore, secretary, National Association of Referees in Bank-
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National Association of Post Office Mail Handlers, Watchmen, Messengers,
Group Leaders, Mail Equipment Handlers & Machine Operators--

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Organization of Professional Employees of the U.S. Department of Agri-

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Panama Canal Zone Central Labor Union & Metal Trades Council,
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Post Office Department-

Transportation Association of America_
United Federation of Postal Clerks.--.

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Gordon, Kermit, Director, Bureau of the Budget: Letter, dated February

17, 1964, to Senator Randolph, containing information relating to the

number of employees that might be replaced in 1965 due to use of
computers

Harding, Bertrand M., Acting Commissioner, Treasury Department:
Letter, dated May 22, 1964, to Senator Johnston, containing income
tax deductions for four different salary levels...

Macy, John W., Jr., Chairman, Civil Service Commission:

Letter, dated May 8, 1964, to Senator Olin D. Johnston, information
requested at the hearing of May 4

Letter, dated May 18, 1964, to Senator Johnston supplementing
information given in May 8 letter..

Udall, Congressman Morris K.: Letter, dated May 25, 1964, to Senator
Johnston, containing a proposed amendment for an automatic increase
in congressional pay-

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Costs of schedule II and President's proposal

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FEDERAL PAY LEGISLATION

WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 4, 1963

U.S. SENATE,

COMMITTEE ON POST OFFICE AND CIVIL SERVICE, Washington, D.C. The committee met at 10:30 a.m., pursuant to call, in room 6202, New Senate Office Building, Senator Olin D. Johnston (chairman of the committee) presiding.

Present: Senators Johnston, Yarborough, McGee, Carlson, and Boggs.

Also present: William P. Gulledge, staff director and counsel; Dr. Robert Sumwalt, assistant staff director; Richard Fuller, professional staff member; David Minton, staff member and Frank A. Paschal, minority clerk.

The CHAIRMAN. The committee will come to order.

Before we proceed today I would like to announce that I have received a telephone call from Senator Randolph expressing his regrets for not being able to attend this morning's session. Senator Randolph informs me that he is attending funeral services in his hometown for a close friend. I know that he is keenly interested in this legislation and I can assure all present that he will follow today's proceedings with interest.

These hearings are convened after due notice so that the committee may take testimony on Federal pay-adjustment legislation. The Salary Reform Act of 1962 expressed congressional endorsement of the comparability principle to assure equity for the Federal employee with his equals throughout the national economy.

The act authorized the President to obtain an annual report of the relationship of Federal salaries to those of private enterprise and to submit to the Congress any adjustments which he thinks are indicated.

The President's recommended adjustments have been introduced and other pay proposals are also being considered. This is an important and complex subject which, I am sure, these hearings will help clarify.

I am glad to welcome here this morning the Honorable John W. Macy, Jr., chairman of the U.S. Civil Service Commission, whose testimony will, I am sure, be of great help to the committee.

Mr. Macy, will you please proceed?

STATEMENT OF HON. JOHN W. MACY, JR., CHAIRMAN, U.S. CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION; ACCOMPANIED BY O. GLENN STAHL, DIRECTOR, BUREAU OF PROGRAMS AND STANDARDS

Mr. MACY. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman and members of the committee. I am accompanied today in offering my testimony on

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