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HEARINGS

BEFORE

SUBCOMMITTEES OF THE
COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

NINETY-SECOND CONGRESS

SECOND SESSION

73-690 O

Printed for the use of the Committee on Appropriations

U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE

WASHINGTON: 1972

GEORGE H. MAHON, Texas, Chairman

JAMIE L. WHITTEN, Mississippi
JOHN J. ROONEY, New York
ROBERT L. F. SIKES, Florida
OTTO E. PASSMAN, Louisiana
JOE L. EVINS, Tennessee

EDWARD P. BOLAND, Massachusetts
WILLIAM H. NATCHER, Kentucky
DANIEL J. FLOOD, Pennsylvania
TOM STEED, Oklahoma
GEORGE E. SHIPLEY, Illinois
JOHN M. SLACK, West Virginia
JOHN J. FLYNT, JR., Georgia
NEAL SMITH, Iowa

ROBERT N. GIAIMO, Connecticut
JULIA BUTLER HANSEN, Washington
JOSEPH P. ADDABBO, New York
JOHN J. MCFALL, California
W. R. HULL, JR., Missouri

EDWARD J. PATTEN, New Jersey
CLARENCE D. LONG, Maryland
SIDNEY R. YATES, Illinois
BOB CASEY, Texas

DAVID PRYOR, Arkansas

FRANK E. EVANS, Colorado

DAVID R. OBEY, Wisconsin

EDWARD R. ROYBAL, California

WILLIAM D. HATHAWAY, Maine

NICK GALIFIANAKIS, North Carolina LOUIS STOKES, Ohio

J. EDWARD ROUSH, Indiana

K. GUNN MCKAY, Utah

TOM BEVILL, Alabama

WILLIAM GERALD BOLING

GEORGE E. EVANS
ROBERT B. FOSTER
JOHN M. GARRITY
HAROLD A. GRIFFIN
AUBREY A. GUNNELS
JAY B. HOWE
THOMAS J. KINGFIELD
ROBERT L. KNISELY
KEITH F. MAINLAND
MILTON B. MEREDITH

FRANK T. BOW, Ohio

CHARLES R. JONAS, North Carolina
ELFORD A. CEDERBERG, Michigan
JOHN J. RHODES, Arizona
WILLIAM E. MINSHALL, Ohio
ROBERT H. MICHEL, Illinois

SILVIO O. CONTE, Massachusetts
GLENN R. DAVIS, Wisconsin
HOWARD W. ROBISON, New York
GARNER E. SHRIVER, Kansas
JOSEPH M. McDADE, Pennsylvania
MARK ANDREWS, North Dakota
LOUIS C. WYMAN, New Hampshire
BURT L. TALCOTT, California
DONALD W. RIEGLE, JR., Michigan
WENDELL WYATT, Oregon
JACK EDWARDS, Alabama
DEL CLAWSON, California
WILLIAM J. SCHERLE, Iowa
ROBERT C. MCEWEN, New York
JOHN T. MYERS, Indiana

J. KENNETH ROBINSON, Virginia

PAUL M. WILSON, Clerk and Staff Director

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NOTE. This Surveys and Investigations supervisory staff is supplemented by selected personnel borrowed on a reimbursable basis for varying lengths of time from various agencies to staff up specific studies and investigations. This current average annual fulltime personnel equivalent is approximately 42.

GERARD J. CHOUINARD

JANET LOU DAMERON

BEATRICE T. DEW

PAUL V. FARMER

DANIEL V. GUN SHOWS

ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT

GEMMA M. HICKEY
VIRGINIA MAY KEYSER
FRANCES MAY

LAWRENCE C. MILLER
MARILYN R. QUINNEY

FRANCIS W. SADY MARY ALICE SAUER DALE M. SHULAW AUSTIN G. SMITH RANDOLPH THOMAS

GENERAL BOOKBINDING CO.

QUALITY CONTROL MARK

SECOND SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION BILL, 1972

SUBCOMMITTEE ON HUD-SPACE-SCIENCE-VETERANS
EDWARD P. BOLAND, Massachusetts, Chairman

JOE L. EVINS, Tennessee
GEORGE E. SHIPLEY, Illinois

ROBERT N. GIAIMO, Connecticut

DAVID PRYOR, Arkansas

J. EDWARD ROUSH, Indiana

CHARLES R. JONAS, North Carolina
BURT L. TALCOTT, California
JOSEPH M. McDADE, Pennsylvania
DEL CLAWSON, California

G. Homer Skarin, Hunter L. Spillan, and Paul Thomson, Staff Assistants

TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 8, 1972.

DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT

COMMUNITY PLANNING AND MANAGEMENT

WITNESSES

HON. GEORGE ROMNEY, SECRETARY

SAMUEL C. JACKSON, ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR COMMUNITY PLANNING AND MANAGEMENT

CLIFFORD W. GRAVES, ACTING DIRECTOR, OFFICE OF PLANNING AND MANAGEMENT GRANTS

JACK WOOLLEY, ASSISTANT TO THE SECRETARY FOR CONGRESSIONAL RELATIONS

NATHANIEL J. EISEMAN, DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET OFFICER

COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING GRANTS

Mr. BOLAND. The committee will come to order.

This morning we will take up the supplementary request of the Department of Housing and Urban Development for Community Planning and Management with respect to Comprehensive Planning Grants. As your justification indicates, this is a request for a supplemental appropriation of $40,645,000. This supplementary request, combined with the $59,355,000 that was appropriated in the bill for 1972 would equal the $100 million which was requested in your original 1972 budget.

PROGRAM SIMPLIFICATION

You will recall that in last year's hearings on this particular item, the committee was concerned about simplifying the program procedures. You indicate in your justification that you are simplifying the procedures.

I recall an agency that participates in this program came in last year with a stack of forms that was incomprehensible, it must have

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